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"101st was transferred, less personnel and equipment, to Fort Campbell, Kentucky"

This may be a silly question, but if the division was transferred except for its personnel and equipment, what exactly was transferred? DJ Clayworth 14:41, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Is this unit still a paratroop unit or just air-mobile? Rmhermen 18:39, Jan 20, 2004 (UTC)
Air-mobile (now called Air Assault), but there are still some paratroop (Airborne) elements. The reason for calling it the 101st Airborne, is historical.--mcornelius 30 June 2005 22:55 (UTC)

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[edit] deepest combat air assault into enemy territory in the history of the world

In January 1991, the 101st once again had its "Rendezvous with Destiny" in Iraq during the deepest combat air assault into enemy territory in the history of the world. The 101st sustained no soldiers killed in action during the 100-hour war and captured thousands of enemy prisoners of war.

There seem to be a number of similar sources eg http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/101abn.htm which says:

In August, 1990 the Iraqi Army invaded Kuwait. The US responded by deploying troops to Saudi Arabia. with one the first units to deploy being the 101st. The division fired the first shots of "Desert Storm" by taking out Iraqi radar sites on 17 January 1991. After the ground war began, the 101st was ordered to go deep into Iraq and set up a base of operations for further attacks. During the ground war phase of "Desert Storm," the 101st made the longest and largest Air Assault in history. More than 2,000 men, 50 transport vehicles, artillery, and tons of fuel and ammunition were airlifted 50 miles into Iraq. Units from the division Air Assaulted into Iraq and set up Forward Operation Base Cobra. Land vehicles took another 2,000 troops into Iraqi territory west of Kuwait to allow U.S. Armored Forces unrestricted access to Iraq.

BUT the largest air assult in history was Operation Varsity in support the the River Rhine crossing on 24 March 1945. It involved nearly as many airtransports as the 1991 airlift did men!

I am not sure which was the deepest penetration, but it almost certainly the second Chindits expedition (Operation Thursday) in early 1944. It involved more than 10,000 and was probably the longest duration for such mission as well.

In Operation Market Garden the US airborne forces, in which the 101st took the Grave Bridge, which in 1944 was Europe's longest bridge, were probably more numerous than the 1991 air-assult and there were also were also many British and Polish Airborne troops on the same operation. Philip Baird Shearer 20:44, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No, there's a difference between air assault and airborne. The 101st, is mainly, Air Assault. The main reason for calling it Airborne is historical. In most official documents, it's called the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault). Most of the Division are not Airborne-qualified. World War II may have seen the largest Airborne operations in history, the deepest penetration, but it's different from air-assault. Basically, Airborne is jumping out of planes, Air Assault is fast-roping out of helicopters--mcornelius 30 June 2005 22:55 (UTC)
i would say air assault is the ability to quickly deploy with the use of aircraft, such as the british 16 air assault brigade with has infantry, engineers, artillery, light tank support, apache attack helis, harrier ground attack aircraft, and transport helis and planes. although only the infantry The Parachute Regiment, and artillery have their para wings.

[edit] Disambig

Why is this page listed on Wikipedia:Links to disambiguating pages (0-9)?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaberwocky6669 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 26 June 2005.

[edit] Hrm

Unless I'm mistaking the 101st for another Division, weren't they "known" for shaving their hair into faux mohawks before their operations or something? I have a horrible memory, but hopefully one of you knows what I'm referring to, and can add it to the article if possible Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 17:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

That was only a handful of paratroopers that got a lot of press. See Mark Bando's Trigger Time website for details. Michael Dorosh 19:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serve Us Proud

We are grateful to all of the Screaming Eagles of the 101st...HOOAAHHH!!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.79.250.127 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 9 March 2006.

The longest Air Assault in the history of warfare was conducted by the 3/187 Infantry during Operation Apache Snow 2 in Afghanistan in the summer of 2002. If I remember right, it was 195 mile long movement in CH-47's. It might have been surpassed during Iraqi Freedom in 2003, but I am not certain.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.117.9 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 1 April 2006.

[edit] Old Abe

Based on http://www.army.mil/CMH/matrix/101/101-Matrix.htm, I have updated the article on Old Abe to connect him to the shoulder patch. That site also refers to a history of the 101st division in World War I. I normally do not edit articles outside of the American Civil War space, so I will leave it to current Army editors to decide what to do about this. Hal Jespersen 15:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Batlle honours

I added in other names of the somme offensive in 1918, as some readers may get confused with the 1916 offensive. yerkschmerk

On 11 August 2007 unknown contributor with IP address 84.83.154.127 added that the 101st Airborne received the Military Order of William in WW2. This is incorrect, see http://www.ww2awards.com/award/733/non and http://www.mindef.nl/binaries/Military%20Order%20of%20William_tcm15-63189.pdf. As a consequence this mistake has been corrected. Up to 31 May 2006 the 82nd US Airborne Division was the only foreign military unit that received the Order of William. Soldiers of the 82nd Airborne Division were standing in the guard of honor during the Order of William ceremonies on 31 May 2006 when the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade was awarded the Order of William for gallantry at Arnhem in 1944. Her Majesty Queen Beatrix welcomes in her speech representatives of the 82nd US Airborne Division, see: http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/content.jsp?objectid=16244. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurz (talk • contribs) 09:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] McAuliffe

Someone removed him from notable commanders. Why? Haber 00:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Afghanistan?

There should be a mention of the 101st Airborne Division in Afghanistan, especially about Operation Anaconda. Signaleer 04:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

  • If I'm not mistaken, operations in Afghanistan were not taken on by the division as a whole, but rather by 3rd Brigade, attached to 10th Mountain. Comment should certainly be made on the article 3rd Brigade, 101st Airborne Division...and if the article doesn't exist, someone should make it. Heh.--SOCL 16:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
  • TF Rakkasan, 270 helicopters provided some of the first combat units into Afghanistan in 2002, including 101st CSG and 86th CSH (which fall under the 101st Airborne Division). I said the article should certainly include the operations in Afghanistan (plus Operation Anaconda). There is clearly an article already on Operation Anaconda but there should be a mention about that in addition to the other operations the 101st conducted during their deployment. --Signaleer 16:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Information

After looking at the site, I feel that there should be a lot more information about the divisions participation in Vietnam, the 1991 Persian Gulf War and OIF I. --Signaleer 15:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

The infobox says at the bottom: 'Notable commanders MoscowSnow Maxwell Taylor' Is this vandalism? I know of no Moscow Snow in the 101st... Identity0 08:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Transfer of article

I propose this article be transferred to "101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)" from its current name ("101st Airborne Division"). This is obviously not a major change, but I believe it would more correctly represent the division's current role and history.--SOCL 19:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Does that jive with WPMILHIST's naming conventions? I know we were moving away from some of those paranthetical disambigs, but I don't know if this would count or not. Perhaps raise it on the talk page of the Project? --ScreaminEagle 22:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's not a disambig if we move the article to 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) as that's the division's official designation, no longer simply "101st Airborne Division."--SOCL 23:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Image

Today's featured pic is off the 101st.

I'm not 100% on how to add pictures to articles, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so I thought I would just post if here and see what you wanted to do with it. Shimaspawn 19:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

In the WWII section, someone replaced the name of the first commander, Major General William C. Lee, with Joe Nigger. I fixed it, but watch for it in the future. It is possible other vandalism has occured, but this is the one that I found. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.94.33.185 (talk) 02:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] We need to update the unit list

If you go to here http://www.campbell.army.mil/UnitMenus/default.aspx it seems that they re-did the whole division someone should update the sub-unit list —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Synthe (talk • contribs) 01:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, and now their first commander was General Darth Vader. You've got some vandalism in every paragraph at this point, and likely all from the same person. Based on how childish the edits are, I'd wager a 13 year old with a sense of humor that has yet to fully develope.

Good luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.221.96.202 (talk) 23:42, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] citations?

I noticed the #Persian Gulf War section provided its own references section, but lacking any in-line citations. If someone could please make sense of it and sort things out, that'd be nice. And I also observed the succeeding sections have a strongs lacking of citations outright and I wouldn't be surprised if the article was written almost in two halves. Should we flag this otherwise nice article. Combined the recurring vandalism, should preventive measures be taken? - Alan --69.123.27.126 (talk) 05:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airborne Divisions ?

Is there a list of all the Airborne Divisions? If there is a 101st, then are there a 1st through 100th? Kingturtle (talk) 01:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

No. The only two currently active airborne units in the US Army are the 82d and the 101st, which is now actually an air assault division that maintains its original designation for historical/nostalgic purposes; the 82d is the only remaining true airborne division in the military. FYI, in the history of the US, there have been only five airborne divisions: 11th, 13th, 17th, 82d, and 101st.--ScreaminEagle (talk) 18:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Why weren't they the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th? What created this interesting numbering system? Kingturtle (talk) 18:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There are already Army infantry divisions with 1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, 5th, etc. designations. The only difference is whether these divisions are infantry, light infantry/mountain infantry, airborne/air assault, etc. Regardless, they're all infantry divisions, just with different specialties. They don't start over with the numbering, they just take the next available number to use, and airborne units are essentially infantry units who just throw themselves out of perfectly good aircraft. Now, the numbers do start over for things like armored divisions, air divisions, cavalry divisions, mechinized divisions, etc. because those are in a different category altogether than the infantry units. --ScreaminEagle (talk) 21:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to compile a list of all the infantry divisions in numerical order. This may seem like a pointless exercise, but it will actually help me to better understand the history of the military. Is there a good source to help me do this? Kingturtle (talk) 21:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, there's this to start with. You'll notice that infantry divisions that were disbanded or renamed later sometimes had their numbers reused in other infantry units as seen here. And this points to how the structure will look in 2009. I'm not certain if that's all you're looking for. --ScreaminEagle (talk) 21:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. This article could easily be a B class or even higher if Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines are met. --dashiellx (talk) 11:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)