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[edit] Proposed delete

A prod was put in place last night to delete this article per the concern: "Redundant Yupik article. Yup'ik is the most common spelling by Yup'ik and non-Yup'ik peoples in Alaska. The Yupik article is fully developed and this article is a stub."

An FYI to interested parties know that I'm actively working on developing this article, which will be specific to the speakers of Central Alaskan Yup'ik language rather than a generalist article about all Yupik peoples, as the Yupik article is. Thus, it will be substantially different from the Yupik article. --Yksin 23:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the article should be renamed to Central Alaskan Yup'ik? I am afraid readers may confuse this to be the same article as Yupik. Also notice that the Yupik article states that Yupik and Yup'ik are the same: "The Yupik or, in the Central Alaskan Yup'ik language, Yup'ik, ...". Labongo 12:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The Yupik article would be incorrect to say they are the same: there are at least three subgroups of "Yupik" one of them being the Yup'ik, who are the only (& largest) group with the apostrophe, which denotes a lengthened pronunciation of the p before the apostrophe. The Yup'ik, speakers of the Central Alaskan Yup'ik language, are culturally distinct from the other Yupik peoples, those being the Siberian Yupik (aka St. Lawrence Island Yupik, or Yuit in Russia) & the Pacific Yupik (better known as the Alutiiq or Sugpiaq). The languages spoken are linguistically distinct. --Yksin 16:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Could you correct the Yupik article? I don't feel confident enough about this topic to do it myself.Labongo 09:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps off topic, but is the pronunciation of Cup'ik similar to Yup'ik?Labongo 09:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation style for this article

This is going to be a pretty citation-happy article (which, when it comes down to, WP articles ought to be anyway, given WP:ATT). So I've got a citation style developed here that I hope other editors will take a look at should they do any work on this article.

Per WP:CITE#Templates:

The use of citation templates is neither encouraged nor discouraged by this or any other guideline. Templates may be used at the discretion of individual editors, subject to agreement with the other editors on the article.
Some editors find them helpful, arguing that they maintain a consistent and accurate style across articles, while other editors find them annoying, particularly when used inline in the text, because they make the text harder to read in edit mode and therefore harder to edit. Some templates (such as {{{title}}}.  and "{{{title}}}" . ) now also include machine-readable COinS tags.

I am one of those who find citation templates annoying because of how hard they are to read in edit mode, plus to me they require a lot more work than just having a good handle on how to do proper citations to begin with. Thus, this article as I am developing it does not use citation templates, but a fairly standard bibliographic style that is easy to keep consisten. Example:

Book
<ref name="keyword"/>Lastname, Firstname. (yyyy). ''Title of book''. PublicationCity: Publisher, pagenumber(s).</ref>
Newspaper article available on web
<ref name="keyword"/>Lastname, Firstname. (yyyy-mm-dd). [URL "Article name."] ''Newspaper name''. Retrieved on yyyy-mm-dd.</ref>

Etc.

Unlike some articles, this one has an actual list of references (a bibliography) from which the majority of cites come. Cites from infrequently used sources that aren't contained in the reference list follow the reference style above. Cites to specific pages from sources in the bib are done a bit differently, using a standard author/date/page number system. E.g., "Fienup-Riordan, 1993, p. 10." However, because that page might be cited more than once, I still name give each cite a keyword based on the author, name of the book, and page number. Because you can't use page numbers in the <ref> names, I'm simply using the alphabet: A=1, B-2, etc. through I=9, J=0. Hence, <ref name="frboundariesBI">Fienup-Riordan, 1993, p. 29.</ref>, with BI standing for the page number 29.

(Fienup-Riordan's work is so well-represented in this bib that I'm abbreviating her name in the <ref> name as fr, with the rest of the name being an word from the title of whichever book. Hence, <ref name="frboundariesBI"/> refers to p. 29 of her book Boundaries and Passages: Rule and Ritual in Yup'ik Eskimo Oral Tradition.)

Hope this explanation helps any other editors who work on this article make sense of what I'm doing. --Yksin 05:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)