Talk:Young-adult fiction

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I just started on this page, and didn't have much time today. If anyone would like to help I'm more than willing to accept. I'd like to have a timeline of some of the more important influences from the beginning of the YA lit genre and some of the main writers who have come out of it, such as Robert Heinlein and Judy Blume. I'd also like to start a list of books, or at least authors with links to outside sources to where the books can be found or at least summaries.--Steeley42 20:55, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

I added several authors and titles to the list, some classsics and some newbies. Please comment and revise. Also added some publications & the M.A.Edwards award. KTM 15:04, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Added genre fiction section, citing D T Herald, more authors, minor editing. KTM 18:54, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'll work on the content some, but should there really be this massive list? Shouldn't there be a list of historical turning point / extremely controversial authors? I feel like a comprehensive list should be split out, ala List of children's literature authors (or merged with that list, given the fuzzy borderline), but the utility of this page is limited if it contains a massive collection of authors. I'd like to see more of a timline (Annie on my Mind and I Hadn't Meant to Tell you This; Are you There, God?; Monster) -- books that might have changed the way we think about YA lit. Deborah-jl 18:24, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Added BAA external link, and I recommend reviewing this list of honored authors to see which YA authors are influencing this genre. KennyLucius 18:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I think this article is excellent. I would be a good idea to separate the list on its own page. -Acjelen 20:13, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] List

Per agreement, I've removed the list to its own page. Personally, I'd like to get rid of both list of young adult authors and list of children's literature authors; there's a fuzzy border between them and it seems to me that the list could be much better maintained with categories. Comments? Deborah-jl 15:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Categories only work in areas where each item has an article. This is appropriate use of a list. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
True. Thanks for helping me rethink my fundamental problem with this list, is that there's no criteria for inclusion. It's not bestsellers, or notable enough to get wikipedia articles and therefore category entries, or award winning, or by authors with red hair... it's just a list of books people think of. Can we come up with some meaningful criteria such that -- in theory -- the list could be complete without having entries for every YA book ever published? Deborah-jl Talk 06:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
We could certainly come up with several distinct criteria for inclusion: winning certain awards, common inclusion in the school curriculum for certain years. So far, this article is very U.S.-centric. It would be interesting to find equivalents for other countries and languages. - Jmabel | Talk 03:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Definitely! I wish I knew more about non-historical YA lit outside of the US and Britain, but I might be able to recruit people to get more information. Deborah-jl Talk 00:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I just popped in and found your list of young adult literature authors. Personally, I find it very useful to have these authors listed separately. As a librarian in a brand-new intermediate school (6th and 7th grades), I find it very useful to have so I can not only research what books to get, but also in building a page on our website where kids can look up their favorite authors. This helps me tremendously in putting this page together. Young adult literature is most often lumped together with children's literature (which of course includes picture books), and separating them out is a big task. --SharonW

[edit] WikiProject

Is there any interest here in a WikiProject for the family of articles comprising children's and young adult literature coverage? I've made a proposal for a WikiProject, and I encourage people to view my proposal, edit it if they like, and sign up. It would be great to put an organised effort into rethinking these pages.

Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Children.27s_Literature

Deborah-jl Talk 06:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Globalization

Please see my post at Talk:Children's_literature#Globalization for reasons for this tag, as well as suggestions about which works to add to solve this problem.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  16:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Juvenile vs YA

I added a mention of the word "Juvenile fiction". This term is mostly obsolete, but a lot of the YA fiction from the mid-century was published under this category name (most particularly the Scribner's juvenile line, I believe). There is a subtle difference between the old "juvenile" category and today's YA-- juveniles most notably did not deal with "adult" themes--and with some time it would be useful to discuss this, but in fact the categories today are so overlapping that the novels published as juvenile fifty years ago now fit seamlessly into the YA category today. Actually, the term isn't that obsolete, in that it's still being used at Random House and elsewhere

Geoffrey.landis 18:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandelism

This page was recently vandelised, probably best if an eye is kept on it! (Million Moments 19:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Young adult vs. Young-adult

Why is RussBot inserting a hyphen into the title of this article? I have never seen young adult spelled with a hyphen. GUllman 20:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. There should not be a hyphen. On his move edit summary, User:Mike Klaassen wrote "Young adult, as a noun, isn't hyphonated. But preceding another noun, it becomes a compound modifier and warrants a hyphen for clarity and ease of reading." Though it is usually the case that compound modifiers are hyphenated, "young adult" is an established genre in the publishing industry which neither publishers nor retailers generally hyphenate. —Lowellian (reply) 16:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, although it might be grammatically correct, an encyclopedia should be descriptive, not prescriptive. GUllman 21:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I understand your concerns, but please review the section for hyphens under Wikipedia: Manual of Style (Wikipedia Shortcut: wp:hyphen), especially regarding compound adjectives. Young adult is a noun and a genre, but young-adult fiction should be hyphenated, according to the Wikipedia style manual. Mike Klaassen 21:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Recognition of the noun young adult and its punctuation as an adjectival modifier are inconsistent. Some dictionaries recognize young adult as a noun (Random House, 2nd 1987), while others do not (Webster's International, 3rd 2002). When recognized (as by Random House), young adult is treated as an open compound noun, with no hyphen. When the phrase young adult is placed before a noun (such as fiction, novel, or author), however, sometimes a hyphen is used and sometimes not. A internet search of news stories, using key words young adult fiction, shows inconsistent use of the hyphen. But the Chicago Manual of Style clearly addresses the issue in "Compounds and Hyphenation," sections 7.82-7.86, "When such compounds precede a noun, hyphenation usually makes for easier reading. With the exception of proper nouns (such as United States) and compounds formed by an adverb ending in ly plus an adjective, it is never incorrect to hypenate adjectival compounds before a noun."(Chicago Manual of Style, 15th Edition 2003, p. 300) And according to the Writer's Digest Grammar Desk Reference, "The most complicated business conducted by hyphens is uniting words into adjectival compounds that precede nouns. Many writers neglect to hyphenate such compounds, and the result is ramshackle sentences that often frustrate the reader." (Writer's Digest Grammar Desk Reference 2005) The Wikipedia Manual of Style also addresses the issue of hyphens for compound adjectives. [[1]] Mike Klaassen 22:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't wish to argue either side of this issue, but I will ask a question motivated only by curiosity.
I have never seen the term "science fiction novel" hyphenated. Why is that? I notice that "science" and "fiction" are always nouns, whereas both "young" and "adult" can be used as either a noun or an adjective. Is is proper not to hyphenate the modifier "science fiction" because both terms are nouns, whereas it IS proper to hyphenate the modifier "young-adult" because both terms are adjectives?
If this is the case, some of the inconsistency might be explained by the fact that both "young" and "adult" are also nouns. KennyLucius 20:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
If you do a Google search of news articles using the key words science, fiction, and novel, you will find examples of "science-fiction novel." Also many examples without the hyphen. Frustrating isn't it? Mike Klaassen 21:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Self-promotion and original research?

User:Mike Klaassen has added multiple external links to articles that he wrote himself. They need to be checked against Wikipedia's self-promotion and no original research policies. —Lowellian (reply) 16:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Compliance. Thank you for bringing these subjects to my attention. I have read the articles listed above and will edit accordingly in the future. Mike Klaassen 22:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Klaassen (talk • contribs)

[edit] Sarah Trimmer - young adulthood

Hi, In the article on young adulthood, it is stated that Sarah Trimmer first noted this period in 1802. I'm currently doing a PhD on young adult literature and urgently need to find where this reference came from. Can anyone help me with this please? My address is charlene.okane@gmail.com and I would appreciate any information.

Many thanks, --Charlene87 (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)