Talk:Yosef Haim Brenner

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[edit] "Murder", she wrote

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Brenner was murdered in southern Tel Aviv in May 1921 in the course of the anti-Jewish Arab riots known as the "massacres of 1921". The site of his murder is now marked by Brenner House, a center for the youth organization of the Histadrut, Hanoar Haoved Vehalomed.

"Murder" is a tricky word here. It is a specifically criminal term, involving (among other things) premeditation and specific intent to kill. Were there criminal convictions in this case? If so, the word stands. If not, we should simply use "kill". - Jmabel | Talk 05:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Brenner was killed by a frenzied mob that went on a killing spree. it was essentially not different than Lynching, which is defined as "a term loosely applied to various forms of violence, usually murder". It wasn't a premeditated act, certainly not on the specific level (there was probably no intent to specifically kill brenner). is "impulsive" killing less murderous? there's one aspect to this killing that mustn't be overlooked: as much as this killing was emotionally motivated, the willing executioners were 'level headed' enough to distinguish Jew from Arab, for the purpose of murdering the former.

this isn't a courtroom; an encyclopedia should portray a situation as society and history sees it. was it a murder if there weren't criminal convictions? (if a tree falls in the forest...) the article reads: "The British administration made some arrests. After international outcry, the arrested Jews were acquitted on the grounds of self-defense." implying that Arabs were also arrested, and they weren't released on the "grounds of self-defence", but rather they were the 'offence', the aggressors. Lee Harvey Oswald is in the Category:American murderers, as he should be (conspiracies aside...), although he wasn't incriminated. Shilonite 12:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

"Lynched" would be an appropriate word, being a sociological rather than a legal term. Any objection to using that instead? - Jmabel | Talk 02:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)