Talk:Yosef Ben-Jochannan

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I deleted the two edits made by 72.155.216.76 besides being biased and poorly sourced they are also plagiarized from the Afrocentric web site http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/ben.html . Wlmg (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Yet another example of a person who is not Afro-Puerto Rican. Ben-Jochannan is not Afro-Puerto Rican because Afro-Puerto Ricans are black people from Puerto Rico, not children of African-Americans, Somalian, Chad or any other group, who happen to marry a non-black Puerto Rican. Apparently, among several non-academic Wikipedia editors, African-American implies that one is black, but Afro dash anything else implies that one is mixed with something. For example, Afro-Venezuelan does not mean the child of an American black with a Venezuelan, it means blacks from Venezuela. Afro-Peruvian, Afro-Brazilian and Afro-Cuban mean the same thing: black people from their respective countries. See the article on Afro-Cuban for more information. For an example of an Afro-Puerto Rican, see the page on Sylvia del Villard. I have made the necessary correction to remove Ben-Jochannan's dubious inclusion on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noopinonada (talk • contribs) 02:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

This page has to be put in context. His birthplace and parents have never been confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.185.205 (talk) 07:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Ben is on the record of obfuscating the truth and lying about history. If his biography is filled with unverified statements he and others have made about his life then in some odd way it is apropos. This article can be improved with hard facts, but that is difficult because there are so few surrounding Dr. Ben. Wlmg (talk) 15:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yosef Ben-Jochannan

I wish you would have left the comment in the discussion section of the Josef article instead of my talk page, but that's ok. The main problem in my view is that Josef has been caught lying about so many things that it calls into question most anything and everything about him, especially the claims he has made about himself. Some of them quite frankly seem fishy, i.e. if he earned degrees in engineering, then why is there no history of him ever working as an engineer? The credibility problem is of his own creation. There are not a lot sources on him to make the hard referential links that make a good wikipedia article. Mainly I defend that article from vandalism, because it is alternately filled up with non-NPOV material typically plaigiarized from ethnocentric sources, or the few properly sourced sections are deleted that the ethnocentrists apparently do not like to hear. I will put this posting in the talk section of the Yosef article, as well as what you put on my talk page.

"Hello Wlmg:

I noticed your revert on the article Yosef Ben-Jochannan where you changed 'formally educated' back to 'claims to have been educated'.

I'm posting here because I'm interested to learn more about this unusual article.

I'm curious how large a credibility gap Yosef Ben-Jochannan has developed to have the article say 'claims to have been educated' and 'claims to be the son of'.

It seems to me there is sort of a double requirement for sources in order to say someone "claims to be ABC". A source to verify that the person has made the claim and also a source that casts serious doubt on the claim. If someone claims to be ABC and there is nothing that throws doubt on that claim, the normal wording would be (I think) that "they are ABC", not that "they claim to be ABC". (Ie, assuming good faith unless there is contradicting evidence.)

The reference says he misrepresents himself as an Egyptologist. Nothing about his ethnic heritage.

As I say, I'm curious about this.

Any light you can throw on the matter would be appreciated.

Cheers CBHA (talk) 05:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)"

Wlmg (talk) 18:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Wlmg: Thank you very much for the feedback. CBHA (talk) 22:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)