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[edit] Population

Following the Treaty of Turkamanchai, tsarist Russia sponsored Armenian resettlement from Persia and Turkey, the Armenian population rose and by the turn of the 20th century the population of Yerevan was 29 033 and consisted of Russians — 2%, Armenians — 48% and Azerbaijanis (called Azerbaijani Tatars by contemporary Russian sources) — 49%.

From the CIA World Factbook on Armenia: Ethnic groups: Armenian 97.9%, Yezidi (Kurd) 1.3%, Russian 0.5%, other 0.3% (2001 census)

Question: what happened to the Azerbaijanis in Yerevan? The article doesn't give any information about this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siyah Kalem (talk • contribs) 13:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

They moved back to where they came from.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 14:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
De Waal explains what happened:
Yet by the twentieth century the Azerbaijanis people, who had lived in Eastern Armenia for centuries, had become its silent guests, marginalized and discriminated against. The Armenians asserted their right to their homeland at the expense of these people. In 1918 – 1920, tens of thousands Azerbaijanis were expelled from Zangezur. In 1940s, tens of thousands more were deported to Azerbaijan to make way for incoming Armenian immigrants from Diaspora. The last cleansing, in 1988 – 1989, got rid of the rest.
Thomas de Waal. Black garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan through peace and war. ISBN 0814719457
Grandmaster 12:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yerevan khanate

Added info on the khanate and beglerbegate, which for some reason was absent, as if someone wants to conceal history. --adil 06:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The foreign domination/occupation section is sufficient. Don't speculate, it's not very civil.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 20:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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You are not civil by your neverending reverts. Yerevan was part of Yerevan khanate, and Yerevan (Chukhursaad) beglerbegate -- come to terms with historic reality. --adil 06:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] azeri population

I added back referenced info about expel of azeri populations--Dacy69 20:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

That's pov. The Azeris left as a result of the war, in the same manner as Armenians of Baku. Who is Brady Kiesling anyhow?-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 20:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It is US Embassy source. Quite reliable. You are engaging in your old manner of removing sourced info. besides, de Waal wrote about Azeri fled from Armenia. yes, it is a result of war - so what. we note the same thing for example on page Ganja--Dacy69 20:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Anything can be sourced, that's not good enough. It is not a US embassy source nor was it produced by a US official, and you're engaging in fabrication as usual. It's a pdf article linked by the US embassy written by an amateur. Answer my question, who is Brady Kiesling? What are his credentials?-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 21:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
As a content matter, the "source" is a tourist guide produced by an embassy employee who says "As the after-hours work of a non-specialist who has had time to visit only a selection of the sites mentioned, this guide is far from a complete archaeological, historical, cultural and/or practical guidebook to Armenia." Surely if the facts alleged are true then are additional significant sources to be found. As a procedural matter, you are probably both in violation of your 1RR parole. There must be something better I could be doing with my time. Try asking for a third opinion on this source. Thatcher131 21:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The above comments on the author and content of "Rediscovering Armenia" can only be down to Thatcher131 making assumptions about a book he has never set eyes upon. Actually, that book is by far the best English-language gazetteer of Armenia's monuments and history, and it is certainly not an idiots' mass-market tourist guide. Meowy 19:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
The statement "most of the city's Azeri population left" is, from a common sense point, most probably true. However, since the strength of the sources are contested and put through the stringest of tests in these articles, try getting a better source and/or more sources Dacy :) It is true that a non-specialist tourist guide such as that one might be a little shaky and would be contested, so might be better off strengthening the sources.. Baristarim 21:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
But try to keep it cool all the same, with the ArbCom case and all.. Cheers! Baristarim 21:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
And, of course, there is a huge difference between "left" and "expelled." Thatcher131 21:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
First of all, I have not violated 1rr parole - I did only one edit. So, there is no ground to say about 1rr violation. Now about Azeri population in Yerevan. it is fact that Azeris lived in Yerevan and -ok- you insist left the city with flowers and cheers. I don't need even to bring quotes. I don't know why we apply double standards to events in Azerbaijan and Armenia. de Waal, Swietochowski wrote about expel of Azeri population from Armenia. But, guys you need quote. Ok
"Significantly, the emergency regime was installed in Yerevan - although there was no ethnic violence there - but not in Armenian mixed-population districts, from where the Azeri population began to be expelled. In most cases, the expulsion was organized by Armenian CP leaders and other officials. Azeri writers put the number of those expelled at 165,000 and those killed at 216, including 57 women, 5 infants and 18 children of different ages.(19) Armenians dispute these figures. "Alexei Zverev.CONTESTED BORDERS IN THE CAUCASUS--Dacy69 22:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
There's also a quote from de Waal, which mentions ethnic cleansing of Armenia after the start of Karabakh conflict. See the top of this discussion page. Grandmaster 06:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Which continent?

Surely it can't be in both Europe and Asia? PatGallacher 23:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Europe and Asia don't have specific boundaries. Some sources put it in Asia while others in Europe. The preferred neutral term is transcontinental. VartanM 00:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

It is actually in western Asia per the Central Intelligence Agency. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Demirchian (talk • contribs).

[edit] Revan

Revan not a former name, it's a non notable alternative name. Irevan is the more common name used in Azerbaijan, Iran and Turkey. VartanM (talk) 21:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I have to disagree - I've seen it frequently in old accounts, (mostly used in relation to the fortress, I think). Meowy 20:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I fixed some blatant POV statements. For some reason Iranian and Turkish rule was called "foreign occupation", and Russian and Soviet was not. It is better off without any labeling like that, and Muslim people who lived there for more than a millennium were as native to the region as anyone else. Grandmaster (talk) 05:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I may have put my foot in it, I've changed both the Iran/Turk and Russian history sections to show Foreign occupation - it seems to me that from the standpoint of Armenia, they're all pretty obviously foreign. (I live in Canada, so it's hard for me to judge this). Franamax (talk) 04:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
The fact is that at that time Muslim population was formed a vast majority, so Persian/Ottoman rule was not foreign for those people. Plus, we have Soviet rule too, which was also exported to the Caucasus. So it is better not to label any rule as native or foreign, the reader will be able to make his judgment by reading the text. Grandmaster (talk) 05:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Btw, this anon who reverted [1] with no explanation appears to be banned user. Grandmaster (talk) 05:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Can someone please provide IPA pronunciation (or at least the romanisation)of the original Armenian name? --Atitarev (talk) 23:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I've added {{Cleanup-IPA}} to the article. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, do you mean this /ˌjɛrəˈvɑːn/? This is the English, not the Armenian. I can't see the entry in the article. --Atitarev (talk) 01:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)