Talk:Yağlı güreş
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Stop the valdalism, LUE. -.-
150.134.74.131 22:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I propose move to "Oil wrestling"
I consider myself a fan of the Turkish language, and still speak it a bit; and I am generally ok with names staying the same, if there is strong support, but this seems a bit excessive: "Yağlı güreş" contains 4 letters that don't exist in standard English if you count "ü" - anyone who does not know Turkish won't have a clue how to pronounce this or look it up, and the term "oil wrestling" is pretty standard in English - e.g., in travel guide indices, on the links in this article. What do you think? Sağol, arkadaşlar! --Chinawhitecotton 09:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- I am Turkish, but I'm using an English keyboard right now. However, using "yagli gures" instead of "yağlı güreş" still presents the same page. Therefore, I do not see this as much of a problem. If someone who knows the Latin alphabet has seen "yağlı güreş" written and aren't able to rewrite or copy-paste it, they can just use the most similiar letters instead of the Turkish letters. From my experience, this seems to OFTEN(though not always) work in Wikipedia, and it is actually a practice we Turks use often.(For example, we write İstanbul as Istanbul to make it easier for foreigners, even though those two letters have different sounds.) "Oil wrestling" doesn't seem clear enough, it may be confused with female oil wrestling. However, "Olive oil wrestling" or "Turkish oil wrestling" may be good names, as I admit some people may not think of using the non-Turkish letters they have instead of the Turkish letters, especially if it hasn't worked for something else before. [P.S: When addressing more than one person(arkadaşlar:friends) you should use "sağolun", not "sağol". ;)] Flint A 22:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Yusuf İsmail(Koca Yusuf)
Under "Famous Wrestlers (Pehlivans)" there is some information about Koca Yusuf(Yusuf İsmail) that the page about him(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_%C4%B0smail) denies. This article also references to that page, so this seems contradicting. The other page sounds more plausible. Flint A 22:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sali Suleyman (Sulejman)
A famous Kumik-Azeri-Avar wrestler Sali Suleyman should be mentioned [1] [2] [3] too. He got this name after defeating a famous Turkish wrestler Sali Suleyman, a favorite of sultan Abdul Hamid. Suleyman then said that only a winner can bear that name and renounced it in favor of the younger opponent from the Caucasus mountains. --Wisconsin96 22:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Greco-Roman is NOT Ancient Greek Wrestling
The article implies that the wrestling in ancient Greece was Greco-Roman, and that no holds beneath the waist were employed. That's actually nonsense. Greco-Roman wrestling was invented by a Frenchman in the 19th century. I'd hope that the wikipedia article on Greco would include that infomation (I just checked it, and it does, so no excuses); it's not a difficult thing to check. Greek wrestling went to the ground, holds beneath the waist were very normal and popular, and the ruleset was completely different. I have no doubt that real Greek wrestling influenced Turkish wrestling, but it's not Greco-Roman. That's all. GuiGe 06:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
