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[edit] A puzzled reader from Salonica
what kind of an article is this!!!!somebody should mention some facts in here: 1.in the ottoman state the islamic law was active,which simply means that if someone was converted to islam from christiany was granted limetime-tax free,but if someone was converted(or reconverted) from islam to christiany,had to face death penalty.so,the yuruks CANNOT be christianised turks. 2.even if the christianising matter refears to pre-ottoman period,someone should mention a sourse of that time about their immigration movement.nothing can be more dangerous than theories based in single sourses,that talk about things that happened centuries earlier and without mentioning a historian of that time that may support the specific theory. 3.can someone tell me why the yuruks are insulted when someone calls them 'turks'?that's a fact...try to find sourses about this if u want. 4.for those who say that the yuruks are turks:why do they have ancient greek rituals mixed with islam?i am refearing to those who live in central anatolia,not for those who supposendly live in pindos(lol...i live there too...i have not met a single one in my life!!!!) 09:53, 24 January 2006 83.235.185.160 GR GREECE THESSALONIKI THESSALONIKI OTENET
P.S. You forgot to sign. I oblige by revealing your whereaboutApostolos Margaritis 10:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't say that the Yuruks are Christianized Turks, I said that a branch of them adopted the Greek Orthodox religion and became known as Sarakatsani Apostolos Margaritis 10:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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- It's not uncommon for a part of a tribe or nation to convert to another religion. Look at a segment of the Megleno-Romanians who live around Kilkis, Greece who adopted Islam while the rest of them remained Christian or to up to 1/3 of the Greeks of Crete who adopted Islam too during the 17th-19th centuries only to be deported to Turkey in 1923.Apostolos Margaritis 10:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Finno-Ugrian connection?
It's funny that these Yoruks are quite fair skinned, have reddish-russet hair and are light-eyed. See image Yoruk woman and child taken from this site. The lady looks pure Finno-Ugric or even Hungarian to me. She actually looks very much like like an older version of Monica Seles (who is originally a Hungarian-speaking Jewess from Novi_Sad) !! Apostolos Margaritis 09:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The 1911 Edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica about Yuruks, Kailars and Konariotes
The first Turkish immigration from Asia Minor took place under the Byzantine emperors before the conquest of the country. The first purely Turkish town, Yenije-Vardar, was founded on the ruins of Vardar in 1362. After the capture of Salonica (1430), a strong Turkish population was settled in the city, and similar colonies were founded in Monastir, Ochrida, Serres, Drama and other important places. In many of these towns half or more of the population is still Turkish. A series of military colonies were subsequently established at various points of strategic importance along the principal lines of communication. Before 1360 large numbers of nomad shepherds, or Yuruks, from the district of Konia, in Asia Minor, had settled in the country; their descendants are still known as Konariotes. Further immigration from this region took place from time to time up to the middle of the 18th century. After the establishment of the feudal system in 1397 many of the Seljuk noble families came over from Asia Minor; their descendants may be recognized among the beys or Moslem landowners in southern Macedonia. At the beginning of the 18th century the Turkish population was very considerable, but since that time it has continuously decreased. A low birth rate, the exhaustion of the male population by military service, and great mortality from epidemics, against which Moslem fatalism takes no pre-cautions, have brought about a decline which has latterly been hastened by emigration
The Turkish rural population is found in three principal groups: the most easterly extends from the Mesta to Drama, Pravishta and Orfano, reaching the sea-coast on either side of Kavala, which is partly Turkish, partly Greek. The second, or central group begins on the sea-coast, a little west of the mouth of the Strymon, where a Greek population intervenes, and extends to the north-west along the Kara-Dagh and Belasitza ranges in the direction of Strumnitza, Veles, Shtip and Radovisht. The third, or southern, group is centred around Kailar, an entirely Turkish town, and extends from Lake Ostrovo to Selfije (Servia). The second and third groups are mainly composed of Konariot shepherds. Besides these fairly compact settlements there are numerous isolated Turkish colonies in various parts of the country. The Turkish rural population is quiet, sober and orderly, presenting some of the best characteristics of the race. Apostolos Margaritis 10:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] H. Brailsford about Kailars
The Moslems of Kailar, on the southern verge of what is properly Macedonia, are genuine Osmanli Turks, who are said to have been exiled from Asia Minor in order that they might be isolated. There is also a similar Turkish belt inland from the Aegean in the rich tobacco-growing country between Serres and Drama, but this again is on the fringe (the eastern fringe) of what is properly Macedonia. Elsewhere even the Moslems of the rural districts come within our generalisation. They are either Albanians or Slavs, [2] converted by force or allured by self-interest to Islam, and while politically they form part of the ruling caste, in language, origin, and even in many of their social customs and institutions they do not differ from their Christian countrymen. Apostolos Margaritis 10:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- Kailar or turkish Kayılar are the same in Ottoman writting sistem. Kailar turks came to Rumelia with Kai Tribe (Kayı Boyu) as a kai. Kailar; turkish kai tribe -ler makesplural form. Ottoman family was also from kayı or kai tribe as a yürük. Actually when Rumelia as a Byzantian Empire land were taken by Latin Empire . Even Costantinopolis were taken by Latin Vandals. At that time Byzantiane Emperors wanted to help from yoruk kai tribe lider Osman I Gazi who strucred Ottoman Empire. So that Osman I 's kais (or kailar or kayı-s) were tooked placed to around Vardarriver and Kailar by Byzantian Emperors. Kailar was center for yürük turks. Yurukhans were took placed to Ardamuş(Erdemuş) villiage. Ayyubid Dynisty to Kailar city center. The Moslems of Kailar was moslems alll the time were they were in Rumelia.-- 3210 (T) 19:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Total population
Please find out what the total population is and add to article. Even if it is just an estimate. In that case, write it with a tilde and put "est." in parenthesis. Like so: "~20,000 (est.)" - Pernambuco 00:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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