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Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I've seen you around Wikipedia working tirelessly against the constant surge of vandalism. Been meaning to issue you with this banstar for a few days now. Keep up the good work! Regards ——Ryan | t • c 14:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Huggle

Hey sorry, my internet connection went down yesterday so i wasnt online much. Have you found out why you lost huggle, did you have another bad day yesterday? You should continue with your article. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 16:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit count

The Special Barnstar
I gladly give this Barnstar to Xp54321, for being a member of wikipedia that accurately updates his edit count regularly, keeping us informed as always. Keep up the good work. Enjoy.--Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 02:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thankyou, that cheered me up, ive had a ruff day lol. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 21:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I finished my exams today but i think i messed up the last paper, i was so tired. I can resit it though. ;-( --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 22:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol, cheers. - Are you going to continue your article. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 22:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 22:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that global account thing myself today, maybe it was activated for everyone recently then, at the moment i dont know how that works sorry. As for that reference thing, i dont know how that works either, i do it manually by filling in the details on templates, like i showed you. Speak to Kodster about it, he uses it. Sorry, im no use to you on these things lol. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 23:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

You wont be blocked (oops I got that completely wrong lol)

If you activated it accidently and reported it you will be fine, stop using it though ok. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 00:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Huggle usage after it was taken away

I've blocked you for 15 minutes while we sort this out. What's probably happened is that it wasn't cleared out of your system after I disabled it. What you need to do is clear your cache on your computer. To do this follow the directions on this page: Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache. Let us know when you've done that and we'll see if that clears it up, Metros (talk) 00:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Metros will I be blocked for accessing huggle?I don't mean my current block.Also how'd you find out so fast?Are you watching iridescent's talkpage because I told him/her.Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 01:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

There will be no additional block, just disappointment out of a lot of people that you would continue to use it even when you knew you weren't supposed to. You knew you shouldn't use it, and yet you did anyway. And yes, I know because I saw it on Iridescent's talk page. Metros (talk) 01:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I told Iridescent, you will be released soon if not already, make sure this gets scrubbed off your block log as it wasnt your fault and will count against you later. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Realist, as I say on my talk page - and Metros's - please stop giving wrong advice. There is no such thing as "scrubbing it off your block log". — iridescent 01:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Actually a developer can do it, or so another admin told me. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
In a very extreme case a developer can. I can't even fathom such a case that they would expunge a block record. This is definitely not one of those cases. Metros (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I would have just rved some vandalism on an article but you blocked me.:)Sorry I am still able to access huggle. Please don't block me. I did bypass the cache with no effect.Note I've done this multiple times before but then for changes in my preferences. Also no effect.Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 01:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, then if any one sees you use Huggle again, even if you have the technical capability to do so, you will be blocked. Metros (talk) 01:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Dodge Challenger

On the Dodge Challenger page I left the editing comments "In the next few days I plan to be completely rebuilding this page with new information from more indepth sites that have more details than this page currently provides." I request this because as a former Daimler Chrysler employee during the Challenger era I have much more info than is on here and I always work better with a clean slate so I ask for a week to rebuild the page my way if you do not like what I do you can revert no harm done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrman115115 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit count barnstar

I have taken away the edit count barnstar off your user page. It is extremely disruptive and Realist2 is way out of line for awarding it to you. Do not add it back, Metros (talk) 01:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Metros, as always, you have my respect. However, Realist dispensed said award in good faith. I find it patently out of place and downright rude to remove it. Wisdom89 (T / C) 01:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Metros an admin, its his call, sorry Xp, buddy. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
And, just a side note here - administrators aren't privileged users. Wisdom89 (T / C) 01:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Wisdom89, see this, this, and this. He did not give it in good faith, but, rather, to disrupt and prove a point. Metros (talk) 01:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Ahhhh, illuminating. I did not know that. I thought it was genuine. Ok, that's completely out of line. I apologize Metros. Wisdom89 (T / C) 01:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The edit count discussion here also provides the background for it. Metros (talk) 01:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Its to prove the point that this edit is valued, is liked, is needed, is wanted. None of which has come from you. All i have shown Xp is pure wikilove, im the only one who does it too. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Meanwhile lets document Metros actions against Xp, he set up a sock case against Xp, he helped removed rollback and huggle for Xp and now hes removed a barnstar for Xp. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
But you basically admitted that it was per WP:POINT, which is intentionally disruptive. Wisdom89 (T / C) 01:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
My point was to show that I, if no-one else , i actually care for and like this editer. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Im done, if metro scares Xp off wikipedia im leaving too, im done. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Realist, as I said to you on my talkpage, encouraging a good faith user to do things that will only count against him is not "Wikilove", it's being horribly unfair to a relatively new user who doesn't 100% understand how things work yet. Whatever you may think, the editcounts, the RFA, the block, the warnings, the sockpuppetry case will all stay with him forever — even Jimbo's block log doesn't get wiped. If you want to show some love, encourage him to make a few good edits rather than a lot of minor ones. This conversation was with a different user, but pretty much everything I say in it applies to him — and to you, for that matter — as well. — iridescent 01:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you havent already noticed ive already got him started on an article on a book he ownes. I taught him to source the other day, he can source books and everything so dont say im a negative influence on him outright. The Teeth of the Tiger. If this witch hunt continues im quiting because its wrong. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 01:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want to email me or something please do, i have AIM, im not hanging around wikipedia much anymore. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 02:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

New Barnstar

The Resilient Barnstar
For continuing to contribute to the project, even in the face of adversity. For carrying on despite every hurdle put in your way, despite every complaint, every nit pick, every argument. You continue to smile which truely amazes me, I only wish I still had that level of love for this place. Keep strong and never give in. I award User:Xp54321 The Resilient Barnstar. Enjoy my friend. P.S - Im not making a POINT or being a DICK so dont dare remove this barnstar. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 14:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have AIM? --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 02:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Uhh?What?If you're talking about email,gmail(though I have a different email for my preferences.Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 02:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have AOL, we can communicate on AIM, i dont like to send emails, im convinced admins can read them some how. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 03:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Then non-wikipedia email.I have two email addresses.Admins as far as I know cant intercept emails.(Unless wikipedia came up with something the equivalent of the patriot act,which i despise.:))Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 03:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Global Accounts

I left my message on my talk page (see the box on the top of my talk page). Cheers, Kodster (heLLo) (Me did that) 19:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Archive

Are you aware you made an edit on an archive using AutoWikiBrowser seen here. Antonio Lopez (talk) 02:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

He was new to the tool then, i dont think you will get much out of him anyway, i think hes been scared off wikipedia for good. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 02:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I was just asking. Well thanks. Antonio Lopez (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

My response to this mess

All right what on earth happened here?!!!;)I report a huggle bug, go to sleep,go to school,come home and find a mess(plus a block) on my talkpage!:)From what I can tell there is now a ridiculously huge mess for me and realist2. However after a very careful review of policy and a few essays,I do find R2 and I have made a few mistakes.(do not start maiking fun of few!)R2 has given bad advice.However I'm getting of all this "hes new crap".I instantly spotted the bad advice for bad advice.However the advice was given in good faith.Also R2 has every right to leave.Me, I have a bad memory.:)Iridescent, I find has done nothing wrong at all and was very considerate and agf.Metros not so much agf.but his actions are reasonable. The sock case,only one guy voted support,but lol,he didnt even remember my name.Thus the reason was correct.However I think metros should have gotten an uninvolved admin for that and a few other things.Still R2's accusations of bullying hold some water.Strange how in a week the same admin removed rollback,opened a sock case,removed huggle and eventually blocked me.At some point another admin should have gotten involved.(I dont mean iridescent)The block was properly explained and I see no reason for oversight,besides it was short.However I do find it unnecessary as no abuse occurred during that brief period and I reported a serious bug which deserves at least a thank you.A block's my thank you?!.It justs give me a bad record.The barnstar(removal) also reasonable after review of diffs about point.Still I think there was overzealous something(bad memory,no really,what happened?) as R2 went ballistic.;) However the situation is complicated.I'd like a sitrep as to what happened in the 36 hours.Please provide diffs,evidence,comments,etc.I deal with these sort of situations like court cases.

My Conclusions(feel free to persuade otherwise,no attacks or threats,ill ignore them:

  • User metros did act reasonably though I doubt his actions would make him the most popular kid on the block
  • User iridescent acted in an exemplary manner,he was not actively involved and was he was helpful on that huggle
  • The block though within reason, was not necessary
  • User Realist2 acted in good faith but has made mistakes
  • User Realist2 should not leave
  • Sock case within reason, but ludicrous
  • Metros too actively involved in this mess, next time un-involved admin
  • block strongest evidence of borderline between bullying/harassment and legit admin actions
  • all involved users should apologize where necessary
  • if bullying or harassment or bugging occurred is a matter of opinion, in my opinion, close to it,very close
  • please excuse typos,bad grammar, in a rush
"I report a huggle bug, go to sleep,go to school,come home and find a mess(plus a block) on my talkpage!:)" You reported the bug at 00:37, you were blocked at 00:53. Sixteen minutes is a pretty quick sleep and school period... Metros (talk) 03:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
And it took you like 8 minutes to reply to this message, still hawling him then i see. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 03:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to get involved in anything at the moment, I'm about to go play Super Smash Bros Brawl, but I went through and looked at a fair number of Xp54321's reverts via Huggle in the 10 minutes before his block and didn't find anything that looked like misuse of Huggle. However, I've been aloof to this whole matter and am not aware of all the information/angles in the situation. Useight (talk) 04:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Useight, the Huggle abuse occurred several days ago, which is what resulted in his loss of access. For whatever reason, it was still functional two days later. While there was no apparent mistakes in its use yesterday, the track record showed his misuse of it in the past. Metros (talk) 04:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
It had been awhile since someone got my name wrong, it was getting about that time again. Useight (talk) 05:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Haha, whoops! It was a little late when I typed that :) Metros (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
And even though he reported it instantly you blocked him. Im going to suggest that future matters relating to Xp54321 are NOT handled by Metros, he isnt acting impartially on matters relating to Xp. It actually kills me to say that, AGF is my strong point. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 04:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Because despite his knowing he wasn't allowed to use it, he was using it. Blocks are preventative, to prevent damage to Wikipedia. Because of his past errors (all 2-3 days ago in the past) with Huggle, there was a reasonable belief that he could repeat these mistakes. The block was to prevent that and to sort out just what precisely was occurring. Metros (talk) 04:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
As for impartiality, what have I done that other administrators would have have done? Yes, Iridescent said he wouldn't have blocked when I did, but you'll also see that he agreed with the rationale for why I did. Everything I've done is reasonable and in line with Wikipedia policies and standards. There is no bias here. Metros (talk) 04:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I think its in the best interest considering the sock case, rollback, huggle, the "questionable" block, complaints about edit counting and barnstar removal that Metros stands back. Other admins can easily handle the situation impartially. It appears as though you have an agenda - regardless of wether or not you actually do. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 04:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Reported it instantly? 11 minutes and 20 edits isn't exactly instant, but OK. Continuing to use it for another 15 minutes and 40 edits until being blocked seemed to indicate that he wasn't looking to stop to figure out why a tool that he knew wasn't supposed to be accessible was working. I might have gone with a "stop right now while we straighten this out or you will be blocked," but a 15 minute block seems to be fair under the circumstances. --Onorem♠Dil 04:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
If it had come from any other admin it wouldnt have raised as many eyebrows, but because of the history between these to edits, frankly it smelt off. Context is half the problem here, every further action Metro takes against Xp is just going to look off.Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 04:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The fact Metros feels the need to continue here speaks volume. The Admin community should be seen to be neutral, myself and Xp have voiced concerns about neutrality and have asked that other admins be involved in future. Metros determination to remain here when its unnessary doesnt look good at all. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 04:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I have Xp54321 on my watchlist (can't remember why) but lets just say that I've been following this mess for days but decided to not get involved. However, Realist...you really need to back down now, Metros' actions may have appeared harsh from your perspective, but they were all just. If you feel XP is being harassed or whatever, take it up with the WP:ANI. I can't see them siding with you but at least you'll have another opinion on the matter. You can't keep biting here, it's just going to go on and on until it escalates to a block. I know you've adopted Xp therefore you probably feel inclined to protect him or whatever, but he really needs to accept his mistakes and start again. Please, just drop it and move on. Metros isn't targeting or bullying Xp, he's just trying to make Wikipedia a better place. If that means banning someone for misuse of tools, so be it. Don't be a dick and instead, cool down and try to teach your adoptee how to recover from his mistakes. You're an experienced user, set a good example. Your edits are disruptive and are in effect, making this whole situation worse. Xp, please don't take any offence by this message and I'm sorry for jumping in here. ——Ryan | t • c 10:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Im not going to bother commenting further, dont worry, Metros will continue to bug this editer over every minor detail, will read through his every edit looking for things to complain about, oh well. At least i wasnt afraid to speak up, as for a block, i honestly wouldnt care frankly. If you think its worth blocking me for a week then youve just gone and lost 700 constructive edits to your project. Additionally I probably wouldnt return so you would have lost thousands of future good edits. You cant get sense around here when all editers care about is what will look good on a their future RfA. Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 15:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I feel like archiving this page again.Should I? I'd say this discussion is over. And like R2 above, block me, see what good it does.The answer is none.Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
No Xp, please just keep your nose clean and continue contributing to the project, I've seen some of the edits, you're a nice guy so I don't want to see you blocked. Take it easy ——Ryan | t • c 23:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
uh do I archive or not?I agree with your response but I don't think you answered my question.Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 23:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
It's up to you, it's your talk page, you can do what you will. Delete it if you want to, you won't be in violation of policy (WP:USER) ——Ryan | t • c 23:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)