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Contents 1 Middle Ages? 2 all those reverts for nothing 3 Pictures 4 Rewriting... 5 Infobox German Location

[edit] Middle Ages?

The section titled "The Middle ages" seems to go quite a ways beyond the middle ages. I don't know how to add a new section, or I would. Drkeithphd 19:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] all those reverts for nothing

I'd appreciate you'd had an account (either here or in de:wikipedia) so I could mail you, but... Besides the reverts affected facts in deed these 'facts' are simply worthless.

• Willi Fährmann's novel about Buschoff - it's a children's novel with no importance to the actual case. In fact it's rather silly to mention it in this context, while the text very successful in germany is simply not neutral, additionaly. There are other, more scientific articles on the case of Buschoff, like Paul Nathan's Betrachtungen zum Prozess Buschoff (1892) and many more. Although these would fit much better than Fährmann's novel, however, none of them should be mentioned.
• Weblinks to Xanten's schools are no further readings in terms of Wikipedia at all. Totally ingoring this fact you added the links not once, but twice at several stages of the article. That's spam, they shouldn't be added at all.
• The fact that Xanten is Germany's only city spelled with 'X' is of no importance to anyone. If at all it can be mentioned somewhere down the article, but the introduction should never contain such trivia.
• Distances to other cities are quite useless as wikipedia is no travel guide. The location of Xanten is perfectly shown on the map, so it's not needed to illustrate the location either. In addition, the distances are estimated so they can't help anyone anyways.
• At last: Don't use fillwords. There's no difference in speaking of Xanten's city center or medieval city center in the actual context of the sentence, besides the fact that Xanten has no medieval town centre at all (most buildings were build or renewed during renaissance or even later, so there are the Renaissance-Erker, the Rokoko-Fassade and many other building that simply are not medieval. Some buildings often called medieval are not medieval in fact, like the Gotisches Haus was build decades after the middle ages had ended). So the only effect of those fillwords is to make things incorrect, while noone would miss them if they weren't used.

--172.158.183.119 12:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

sry, but I am of a different opinion. 1. The weblinks are real good: so -to my mind no discussion is necessary-. Please have a look and youll find out the same. The virtual tour of Xanten city center is great and offers 360 degree pics. 2. The school links are important for people who want to get a better idea of the schools. 3. Trivia is always important and it is one of Xantens Slogans and so a fact. And I donnot know where else to put the fact about "the X-beginning". 3. Distances to North-Rhine Westphalias big cities are important to get an idea ab where Xanten is located and how far it is to the big economic centers of Germany. 4. The homepage of Xanten says the city centre is mediaeval and when I visited Xanten I saw signs which tell the same. 5. Maybe youre right with the book but I just thought it could be an interesting point, because the author lives in Xanten himself and the book has won some German book awards. But please: Before you change (revert) the article let first discuss about it. Thank you! --172.158.173.149 13:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you crazy? I've started this discussion while the first thing you did was to revert the article while answering to the discussion. So I'd wait till the discussion is over - if you do so, either. Now to topic:

• 360°-pictures aren't further informations in terms of wikipedia. German Wikipedia has a statement not to include any Weblinks that concern Unterthemen, I'm sure you'll find something similar here because it's completely resonable, as you will agree after reading the next sentence:
• Schools' websites shouldn't be linked for several reasons, first of all they are Unterthemen, secondly it's not neutral to link to the SSGXs and the Marienschules Website while ignoring the Walter-Bader-Realschule and many more. Thirdly, and that's what is really important, just imagine the list of links the article Duisburg would contain if every school in Duisburg would be linked from the article - just ridicoulus. As wikipedia is no link-list, and that's common sense, no school at all should have a weblink inside the article. If someone is really interested in further informations about schools in Xanten the Website rathaus-xanten.de is the way to find the links. Same goes for pictures like the 360° ones, they're reachable over the city's website.
• Trivia is never part of an introduction. An introduction should inform about the most important facts to tell, not about something that does mean nothing. If you don't know where else to add the information than just don't add it.
• The location of Xanten, and that's something I've already told you, is perfectly shown on the map. There's no need to tell about distances to other cities, especially when those distances aren't correct anyways.
• If you don't know about Xanten's city centre than don't make statements about it. I already told you that there are many, many non-medieval buildings and even some of those buildings considered medieval simply aren't. If the city's website tells otherwise that's simply a tourist-catcer but no reason for blind believe, the centre is historic at best. But I don't want to discuss if the city centre is medieval anyways, since in the context of the text it does make no difference at all if we speak of city centre or medieval city centre. In this context medieval is a useless fillword.
• Persons living in Xanten normally are mentioned in a section called Personalities or somthing alike. There's no need to make one of the most noticed cases of alleged Ritualmord silly by connecting it to a children's novel.

--172.158.183.85 20:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Can anyone help me with getting some pictures of xanten into this article. This would help to get a better idea of what Xanten really is. There are some great pics in the German version of this article. I´d be grateful. Thanks!--172.179.194.200 19:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Please, if you don't know how to do something yourself don't ask if others will do it for you. There are several FAQs that can help you to achieve what you're planning without disturbing anyone. In the actual case you should just read Wikipedia:Pictures to know what you'll have to know, as most pictures used in the german version of this article are saved on Wikimedia commons and therefore can be used here, too, without any effort. As the images are saved on wikimedia commons, however, and Wikimedia commons is linked inside this article, there's no need to add more pictures to the article. By the way, there are german versions of the FAQs in german wikipedia as well, in case you don't understand the english ones. 172.158.183.85 20:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewriting...

I hope no one took offense at my reworking of some of the language used in this article. From some of the language used, I would guess that the original contributor was a German writing in English (which would make sense for an article on Xanten). As one example, this would account for the use of "Under (or was it underneath?) other schools" instead of "Among other schools", which sounds like a direct translation of "Unter anderen Schulen..." As I say, I hope the original contributor did not take offense to my reworking of some of the language. Wenn mein Deutsch nur so gut wäre, wie sein (oder ihr?) Englisch! My reworking makes the usage more in line with current, native usage in English. In a place or two I truly did not understand what was originally intended, so I either removed the portion where it seemed irrelevant anyway, or left it as it was. An example of this would include the mention of the 1600th anniversary of the Catholic Church's "municipality." Perhaps the original German of what was meant here could be posted on the discussion page? In places there were some pretty specific facts, which had to have been taken from someplace, not general knowledge... one would wish for the inclusion of the cites. Anyway, thanks for the article. Xenophon777 15:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox German Location

Why the reversal of the new infobox german location by User:172.179.115.90. "(not a good compromise)" is not really a good explanation. Extrala 21:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)