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[edit] No More Spinner

I just wanted to note that the WWE title has a semi-new design. The entire belt is the same, except for the actual WWE logo in the center does not spin anymore. Not that big of a fact, but I just think it should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.212.128 (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

While I too noticed this, it can't be added without a source. Gavyn Sykes 18:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

What about countless pictures with the WWE logo in the upright position? What about the mention of a new belt at No Mercy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.238.212.128 (talk) 01:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to add the Cena used the same "fixed" spinner belt design from January 2007 to May 2007. Oh yeah, Vince Mcmahon didnt say it was the new WWE Championship, he said,"The new WWE Champion, Randy Orton." (John_See-nah 06:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC))
People have to realize the difference in terms of championship belt, or title belt, and title itself. A new WWE title would mean that they'd created a new title entirely. TonyFreakinAlmeida 16:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Why not have the article state something like "With Randy Ortons Win the belt was altered so that it was a non-spining design. It is beleived to be the same belt as worn by Cena." Just an idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.98.109 (talk) 18:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Because that's unsourced speculation. See WP:V and WP:RS Gavyn Sykes 18:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Lakers244805 is correct. The WWE title belt didn't appear to spin during Cena's feud with HBK. The belt's "WWE" logo was always in a fixed, upright position (check it out if you get the chance). Since it wasn't considered a new belt design back then, it shouldn't be considered a new belt design now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.85.4 (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Thats because no one was looking at the belt when Cena was champ, they watching something else. And by that I mean a different channel. AD Double J 03:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

If the logo doesn't spin, why was it shown to be crooked rather in its straight "fixed" position? If you watch Orton walking down to the ring for the match on last Monday's Raw, you can clearly see that the logo is crooked.Odin's Beard 13:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I have the replica belt and you have to stick something inbetween the spinner part and the main plate and sometimes if you shake it too hard or drop it you can dislodge it. I think backstage Orton or someone else hit the belt by accident and broke the thing that held the spinner inplace and didnt have time to fix it because it they were live, I bet you that the next time you see the title on TV it will be in it's fixed position again. (John_See-nah 06:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC))
Two things. 1. Lakers, if you have a replica belt why haven't you bothered to take a picture of it so that we could at least have a better quality image than the one currently in the article? 2. The whole thing about someone accidentally hitting the belt is OR. I also have noticed that the belt presented to Orton had the spinner removed and replaced with a fixed WWE logo, so I'm guessing the consensus is obviously agreeing that the belt no longer spins. That’s set. However, we cannot speculate on anything so the only thing that can be added is that the belt presented to Randy Orton no longer appears to spin. -- bulletproof 3:16 07:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I've uploaded my picture, you guys are free to edit the picture if you want because I took a really bad picture (John_See-nah 18:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC))
It’s not bad but could you try another one? Do you have a white blanket or sheet that you can but the belt on to give it a white background. It would be a lot easier to edit like that. Also unstrap the belt so that we can see all 5 plates like in Image:WWF big eagle belt.jpg. Would really appreciate it. Thanks.-- bulletproof 3:16 20:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

This entire conversation has been kinda mistrewn now after Survivor Series. When Mike Chioda, the referee of Shawn michaels vs Randy Orton, lifts the title into the air, the WWE sign is not fixed. It is in the wrong posistion, and therefore it is possibly still a spinner belt.--ProtoWolf (talk) 09:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that too, but when they handed the title back to Randy Orton the belt was back in the fixed position (John_See-nah (talk) 03:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC))
Ha! Orton must have dropped it backstage or something. Clumsy Orton-- bulletproof 3:16 03:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I am rather sure that the belt had been given a sort of regulator during John Cena's last WWE Championship reign. If you had the volume up high enough, when he spun it, it seemed to make a 'clacking' sound (kinda like the casino game, with the big wheel and the arrow thing that makes a similar sound when the pegs hit it. Sorry for not knowing the name of such game) So, the reason the logo never seems to spin now, is since nobody purposely spins it anymore, and the spinning logo is usually set to the upright position. The regulator then should keep it in that position Kogoro_9_23 (talk) 12:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I have undisputable proofs that Randy Orton's WWE Belt still has a apinner on it:

  1. If you watch the Janury 7th episode of Raw, during Jeff Hardy and Umaga's Steel Cage match, Randy Orton comes out and sits on a chair at ringside. When you look at the belt, you see that the WWE logo is crooked. It is the 4th photo in the photo set.[1]
  2. In the Jeff Hardy/Randy Orton WWE Title Match at the Royal Rumble promo, Randy Orton's WWE Title logo is crooked 90° (the WWE Belt is sideways on Orton's shoulder, and the WWE logo is upright) Talon Kelson (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

When Cena got injured they were very strict on making the title stay straight so fans would accept it as the OFFICIAL WWE Title but I think now they just dont care anymore, but for 8 months in 2007 the belt was in a straight position. I've noticed too that the belt is not straight anymore but can someone add that there is a new little silver thing at the end of the belt for RAW HD? (John_See-nah (talk) 05:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC))

The arguments of the WWE title no longer having a working spinner should be at rest by now. On the February 4th Edition of WWE RAW, Randy Orton came out to have John Cena sign a contract to make their match at No Way Out 100% official. When Randy Orton placed the WWE Championship on the table, the WWE logo on the belt was not in the upright position. When John Cena came out to sign the contract, Orton moved the spinner back into it's primary position, on camera. Kogoro_9_23 (talk) 03:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Previous Designs

Why was the grid that contained all the previous belt designs and years held deleted? I thought that looked much better, and was more exhaustive, than the current thumbnail pics of only two previous designs. Tony2Times 17:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I Agree that the Older ones looked Completely Better! --.::Save a Cow, Eat a Vegetarian!::. 08:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The images were deleted because they were copyrighted. The images currently used in the article are free images, pictures of replicas taken by other editors here. If either of you have a replica belt we would appreciate you taking a picture of it to add it to the article.-- bulletproof 3:16 17:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I could try and help get the images for the Smoking Skull Belt, and the Undisputed Championship Belt. However, all I have are plastic versions. I would like some thoughts from a few people on this before taking pictures of them for the article though. Kogoro 9 23 (talk) 09:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Sure, no probs with me for that as long as we got something to show the world right? ;) The Game - Hhh210 (talk) 12:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title defenses of current champion

In the "Current champion" section should we add title defenses in current reign (unless it ends up being too long, like Cena's would have been)? For instance, mention that Orton has defended/retained against Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho. This would require changing the other championship pages to make it consistent. Any feedback is welcome. Gamer313 (talk) 15:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

You would have to include live event defenses, especially considering title changes do occasionally occur there. It's not worth it. Mshake3 (talk) 22:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I was just thinking of PPV, TV show defenses. But you're right - it should be all or nothing. I don't have the time to find out the card for all live events too. Thanks for the response. Gamer313 (talk) 15:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Buddy Rogers

On his profile it say he the first WWE champion but where is his name on the list Supermike(talk) 12:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

It's on the list. In the List of WWE Champions article, his name is first and foremost.Odin's Beard (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

How Long did he hold it for Supermike(talk) 12:22, 04 February 2008

Check the article. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hardcore Championship

Someone put that the Hardcore Championship was a replica Big Eagle Belt from the Attitude Era. This is not correct. It was the previous design. I deleted that blurb from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.153.61 (talk) 20:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Belt Image

I'm sure there has to be someone out there who owns a replica belt of better quality than the incredibly cheap-looking one that's up there now. 141.213.180.13 (talk) 20:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to be the case since the image used for this article has been in use for months and months. And, given the fact that a high quality replica of the title from wwe.com costs in the neighborhood of 350-370 bucks, it's likely to stay up for a while. Lotta money to pay for one ugly-@$$ belt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odin's Beard (talk • contribs) 23:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Well if you would notice, that's the plastic version (which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more cheaper). The 300+ bucks you're talkin' about is the gold-plated replica. Just like to clear that out mate :p The Game - Hhh210 (talk) 12:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
That is the Legit belt, that is not the plastic version, I know cause its mine (John_See-Nah (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Past Designs

If we are going to put past design pictures in the info box, than you need to add the design that JBL, Brock Lesnar, Eddie Guerrero, etc. held. Also, you need to add the designs that were used in the 70s and 80s before the winged eagle belts. Mr. C.C. (talk) 16:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The problem is, we don't have free images of the belts. If we had them, we would put them in the article. See this just up the page for further details. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 16:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The Big Eagle Belt and Smokin' Skull Belts should be taken off. They are inaccurate. They have WWE logo. They are obviously replicas in that those belts never had the WWE logo but the WWF scratch logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

All pictures of the belts on wiki when not being physically held or worn by a wrestler are replicas, actually. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. Those belt have the WWE logo and the real ones never had that logo. It is inaccurate information and they need to be taken down. In fact, I will do just that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
That's a really minor thing to complain about or remove. It's not really inaccurate, it's just a small change. Dear god... Gavyn Sykes (talk)`
Minor thing? You are putting inaccurate information on an article that is supposed to contain fact. This is the exact reason why Wikipedia gets blasted; for posting inaccurate information. Those were never past designs of the belt and I will not stand by and let inaccurate information be posted on this article. So until we can find free images of the belts in question with the proper logos on them, I will continue to take them down in the interest of present an accurate article. SChaos1701
Please keep the Three revert rule in mind. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting Inaccurate Past Designs

I will continue to delete pictures of past designs that have the WWE that in reality never had them in the first place. The Attitude Era Belt and Smoking Skull belt NEVER had the WWE logo. They only had the WWF logo. Putting these up as past designs in inaccurate information and should not be presented as fact.

Isn't the WWE and WWF the same thing? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The WWF's name was change to WWE in the summer of 2002, AFTER those belts were retired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You do realize that the article talks about both the WWE and WWF title? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I realize that. I'm not an idiot. I've been watching wrestling longer than you've probably been alive and have worked in wrestling journalism since I was your age (if the age on your profile is accurate). No offense. But when you put up a past design that was NEVER used but because of a replica that was made because of a lawsuit (the WWE cannot put out belt replicas that have the old scratch logo), then you are putting up inaccurate information). The Smokin' Skull Belt and Attitude Era belt NEVER had the WWE logo but it is being presented as having been. That is where my issue lies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I got it out of storage and took a pic of my WWF Championship Replica (Attitude Era) with the proper logo. When I can resize it and such, I'll put it up. I got in contact with a friend of mine to do the same thing with his Smokin' Skull Belt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Why not the pictures in but add a notation to the article that the logo is not correct? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vacancy

Hey How do you guys feel about adding the titles vacancies? Its been vacated four times in its history so i think its notable what do you think?LifeStroke420 (talk) 05:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Not important. Its already noted on the List of WWE Champions page. -- bulletproof 3:16 07:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Accident

I accidently messed up the history. does anyone remeber it. If so, change it back to the way it was before i messed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klrobinson93 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] randy orton

randy orton is the current wwe champion. . (Sawyer (talk) 03:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC))

should it also be mention that he and the rock are tie for most reign as wwe champions Supermike(talk) 12:22, 27 JApril 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.106.177 (talk)

No he isn't. Triple H won the title tonight at Backlash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 06:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I know that But the rock and HHH are now tie for most reigns as WWE champions Supermike(talk) 12:22, 28 April 2008

[edit] Unknown

The current champion is unknown SO DONT CHANGE IT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joesta03 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

YES SIR!-- bulletproof 3:16 03:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
He's right, we have no clue who the champion is right now. We should remove it until it's confirmed.68.150.39.45 (talk) 04:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

....Regal came back out to the ring and called off the match after the show went off the air. The WWE Champion is still Triple H for now... -- bulletproof 3:16 06:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

In a situation like that, just stick with the current champion because there was no title change. Until it is shown on TV or acknowledged by the company it is assumed that he is still champion. But since we all know that Regal stopped the match anyway, it's a moot point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SChaos1701 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)