Talk:Women in Devil May Cry

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 28 December 2006. The result of the discussion was merge to List of characters in Devil May Cry.

[edit] Is this really neccessary?

I think not. Each of these characters are already described in the games in which they appeared. Aside from replicating information already in the individual game pages, the article is poorly-written, and is rife with editorializing, speculation, and original research. Also, it does nothing to justify its existence beyond simply listing and describing these female characters. I propose simply deleting the article, but I'll wait about a week until doing so to see if there's any feedback. --Boradis 19:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

First, the article was made for these character because the games articles gives very little and poorly information about these characters (Especially Lucia), and so, it's not replicating information. I started this article because of the lack of information about these characters in the rest of the articles about DMC, and I tried to make it the best I could, so... I really don't know what you mean with speculation and original research, I don't think I've added something that was not shown in the games. At any rate, Dante's article is the only one that could be interpreted as "Good one", while Vergil's and Sparda's article are even smaller and with less information that these ones.
First: I don't agree with you about this article not justifing its existence, and second, I don't see a justifing reason to delete the article in the first place.
If you would like to help to improve the article, I would really appreciate it, after all, there's probably a lot to do (Like adding information about Matier), but suggesting a deletion is not a solution neither a way to help. These characters are co-protagonist after all. (Alexlayer 20:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC))
An example of editorializing is the first line in the Lady entry, which is simply the writer's opinion on how attractive she is, and opinion has no place on Wikipedia. Also, longer and more information is not always optimal in an encyclopedia, and is not a justification for an article's existence. See WP:Not, particularly the sections "Wikipedia is not a directory" and "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information". As two of these women are one-shot characters who appear in one game each, while Trish is provided as basically an alternate costume in DMC2, they should be included in those game pages in 1-2 paragraph summaries of their plot importance and gameplay features (as playable characters and/or as bosses). So far, none of them have been important to the series beyond the games they debuted in, or even mentioned in the other games. --Boradis 20:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
To be more accurate, Trish's appearance in the Viewtiful Joe games and her cameo in DMC2 would count as "mentions" by the game creators, but nothing more. Viewtiful Joe isn't DMC canon, and Trish isn't mentioned within the plot of DMC2. By contrast, Dante, Vergil and Sparda all transcend individual games to be relevant to the series as a whole. --Boradis 20:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've read what you told me to, yet I find it hardly fitting to this case. It is true that they are techincally One-shot character, but that's the main reason for which I made an article of all of them instead of one article for each one as there was in the past (and since those were stubs, I understand that they were deleted). Yet, even if the are one-shot characters they ARE relevant themselves, not to mention that, as there is a new female character in DMC4, there is the posibility than none of these girls, not even Trish, might come back to the series with a relevant role, but that doesn't mean that they deserve to be forgotten. That's the reason for the existence of this article, for these characters we already know and for the ones yet to be presented. And as I told you, the games article gives almost no information about them. Those articles tends to focus more on technical information as gameplay, criticism or new elements, but barely on the story or the characters. That's why articles about the characters are needed, like this one or another one that I'm planning to do, "Villans/Antagonist of Devil May Cry" to give information about Mundus, Arius and Arkham, others releveant characters.
As I said early, whenever this article has much or less reason to exist, there's not a justifying reason to delete it instead of trying to help to improve it and make it worthy. It is recently created, so it might surely need adjustments, just give it time, day by day, much users are helping to improve it.
Oh, and I didn't ask for an example of editorializing since I considered that that could be true, but speculation and original research? Is there's really any? (Alexlayer 21:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC))
I pointed out the editorializing because it's an example of the kind of fan opinion that doesn't belong on Wikipedia. All your other points above are also fan opinion. These characters are all served well enough with a couple paragraphs on the page of the games they appeared in. I stand by my opinion and plan to recommend it for deletion later this week. If your position is more in keeping with the purpose of Wikipedia the page will remain. I'm not doing this to be a jerk, I have legitimate concerns about the purpose of this page, but I didn't simply redirect it. I'm giving it a chance to prove its relevance. --Boradis 23:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)