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This is mostly communism propaganda. Taw 13:36 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)
THIS MAN SHOULD BE SHOT FOR WAR CRIMES AND MURDER
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[edit] Biography
Jaruzelski fought in World War II and became a general in 1956. He began his rise in the Polish Communist party in 1960.
As a leading figure in the Polish High Command he played a major role in oppressive ending of strikes in Gdansk and Szczecin in 1970. It was a military and special police forces operation that was characterized by brutality and bloodshed. Unofficial figures say several hundreds of protesters killed, many more wounded.
During the 1981 crisis involving Solidarity and other democratic movements in the country, Jaruzelski became prime minister and secretary general of the Communist Party. Known as a moderate, he was often viewed as a benevolent dictator. Jaruzelski sought a compromise but finally ordered a military crackdown, placed Poland under martial law in December 1981, outlawed Solidarity, and ordered the arrest of Solidarity leaders including Lech Walesa. By the end of 1982, Solidarity had been suppressed, the martial law was lifted, and Walesa was released.
By 1987 however, Jaruzelski found his attempts at economic reform thwarted by Solidarity, which forced him to a dialogue through a series of strikes which crippled the country. In April 1989 Solidarity was legalised and granted the right to campaign for the upcoming elections. In June, Solidarity members won almost every seat of the granted 35% margin in the Sejm. This restriction allowed Jaruzelski to be elected president by a one-vote margin in the national assembly. However, he was unable to maintain a Communist-led government, he was forced in September to agree to a Solidarity prime minister - Tadeusz Mazowiecki. Jaruzelski was succeeded as president by Walesa in the first fully democratic presidential elections, which were held in December 1990.
In 1993 Jaruzelski and others were put on trial charged with criminal conduct during 1970 protests. However, court proceedings, which began in 1996, have progressed slowly because of deliberate delays by Jaruzelski lawyers.
see also History of Poland, Presidents of Poland
[edit] Returned cross
“Due to a large protest amongst the population and Kaczynski admitting his mistake, Jaruzelski returned the medal.”
This is not true. Jaruzelski was exiled to Siberia in 1940 (his father died there), and was nominated to the cross by veteran organisations. Jaruzelski, when informed about the given decoration, said that he is happy that president Kaczyński was able to rise upon historical divisions. Later on, when the Head of Presidents Chamber (Kancelaria Prezydenta) announced that Jaruzelski was put on the list of people to decorate without the knowledge of the president, general decided to sent the crossl back (along with a Syberian Exile identity card). [1]
In an open letter to the president, Jaruzelski has written that he is sending the decoration back because doesn't want the renewal of old divisions, because much more important is acting with the future of Poland in mind. [2]
There where no protests against giving the cross to the general, since this is just a formal decoration, which he simply deserves as a Syberian Exile. The reason for returning it was the statement of Presidents Chamber claiming that it was given unintentionaly. In my opinion, returning the cross, was a clear demonstration of officer's honor.
- They should send him off to his beloved Russia, and then to Hell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.1 (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- This man cannot be described in black-and-white terms. I agree that he oppressed the democratic opposition, but it must be said, that despite using conservative and communist rhetoric, he avoided violence and bloodshed. Martial law in Poland resulted in 90 deaths.
It is uttermost hypocrisy, when right-wing Polish politicians attacking Jaruzelski praise general Pinochet who was responsible for at least 3000 deaths and 200000 other victims. Moreover, he strictly controlled police forces and intelligence agencies, killings were rather caused by flaws with this control. On the other hand he was suspected in many cases to cover up these crimes and responsible people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.37.80 (talk) 23:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that the reurned cross incident shows clearly how small Kaczynki is, depsite the fact that I am strongly in favor of clarification of the all circumstances of life of Wojciech Jaruzelski. He is not responsible for many deaths, but at the other had Poland lost 8 years in the development. At the same side, Pinochet was murderer, but he found modern Chile with its dynamic ecomony. Cautious (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Communist crimes"
What does the term "communist crimes" mean? Is there a category for every pickpocketry commited by a member of the Party? Cptukbo (talk) 08:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
What does the term "Nazi crimes" mean? Answer yourself. --HanzoHattori (talk) 12:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
But what sense does this term have when we just read he was a communist and statesman? It's like saying "the Nazis commited several Nazi crimes". I suggest replacing the phrase On March 31, 2006, the IPN charged him with committing communist crimes... with He was charged on ... of commiting ... crimes while being .... --Cptukbo (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Roman Catholic or Atheist?
Atheism is common in communism, but wikipedia has Wojciech Jaruzelski listed as a Roman Catholic. Is he a Roman Catholic or an atheist? and if he is Roman Catholic, is Wojciech Jaruzelski the first or only theistic communist? Wearetherevolution (talk) 10:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spying
I've tagged the passage as unsourced - blogs are not acceptable. If something more reliable isn't found, the passage will be removed per WP:LIVING. Óðinn (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Roman Catholic or Atheist?
Is he Roman Catholic or is he an atheist?
If he is Roman Catholic, this may make him the first theistic communist, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chamaoloan (talk • contribs) 08:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- If my memory serves me well, Polish Communists were allowed to practice Catholicism. It was kinda unique situation. RJ CG (talk) 13:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Members of the Communist party were not allowed to practice organized religion, neither openly nor privately. Even taking a church wedding or allowing their child to be baptized, neither of which is, by itself, a declaration of Catholicism, since it is enough for the church if only one of the betrothed/parents is a Catholic, could lead to expulsion from the party. (A number of people, especially in smaller towns, took that risk, nevertheless.)
