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Contents 1 Secret societies 1.1 Secret Section 2 College? 3 Al Davis a Wittenberg Alum? 4 Al Davis as an alum...again 5 Secret societies (July 2007) 6 Secret societies (September 2007) 7 Al Davis May 2008

[edit] Secret societies

The Knights "wkw", are just as active as the village.... and still they get ignored... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.81.49 (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Yawn, quit changing the secret society's entry. It's an accurate, factual depiction of secret societies on wittenberg campus. If any of it is false, feel free to edit it properly, but removing it entirely seems like an obvious act of some sore secret society members. Stating that they walk around with obvious regalia drawing attention to themselves is true in every sense of the word.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.223.83.13 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC).

What upsets me is that there are secret society that have been removed even though their membership is much higher than most of the ones listed. It's a childish and ridiculous attempt to stifle existing groups like the alchemist and the numbers. And yes they exist, I had two alchemist as neighbours and I have at least ten numbers in my new classes this semester! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.81.30 (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Secret Section

Does this section accurately describe facts about the school? Some of these entries seem like fun trivia and could be recategorized or re-written; but if they are presented as fact, they should be edited out. Please see WP:NOTE for the notability policy at Wikipedia before adding nonsensical trivia. Nimur 02:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what section you are refering to, but I'll assume the secret society section. It's an accurate fact about the school, leave it as is, or add to it if you think it's necessary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:71.255.168.203 (talk • contribs) .

I have removed the section, after it was repeatedly vandalised and filled with nonsense on 30 August 2006. See this edit for details. Relevant, correct information should be added back in by someone knowledgeable about the school. Nimur 16:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we have secret soceities. I always wondered what was with the late-night chanting that drifted up to my dorm room window, and I never actually knew it was a secret society until I came to look at Witt's page on Wikipedia. Interesting. I wish they would be a little quieter though. Morhange 04:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Who the hell is the organization?!? I'm not saying they don't exist I just wanna know a little about them. What do they wear? What they do?

I am (was) a member of the organization, but we are no longer active. We were active last year, but we disbanded last fall. Morhange (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] College?

Was it formerly called Wittenberg College? Badagnani 03:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al Davis a Wittenberg Alum?

Al Davis' bio on Wikipedia mentions nothing about his having attended Wittenberg University. He's listed as a university alum, though. If the existing bio is known to be correct, then Mr. Davis should be removed from the list of alumni. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.65.70.109 (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Al Davis as an alum...again

It seems that Mr. Davis attended both Wittenberg College and Syracuse University. (http://www.raiders.com/History/Default.aspx?id=860) He apparently completed his postsecondary studies at Syracuse in 1950, making him an alumnus of that institution, not of Wittenberg.

The distinction between a college and a university is not well defined in the U.S. Wittenberg was founded as a college, but has alternately been known as Wittenberg College and Wittenberg University since its establishment. A rule of thumb, but not a formal distinction, is that a College awards only Bachelor's degrees while a University awards Masters and/or Ph.D. degrees to students who have previously completed a Bachelor's degree.

See :

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_college_and_a_university http://apps.carleton.edu/intl/looking/collegevsuniv/

[edit] Secret societies (July 2007)

This material has been removed more than once, and I have recently removed this shorter paragraph. This may very well be true, but equally it sounds pretty ridiculous to me as an outsider, and I will continue to support its removal until a reliable source is found for the material. — mholland (talk) 09:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Reposted correct information about secret societies and warned Mholland to quit vandalizing Wittenberg University Page, this is correct information about the University!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.128.47 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Secret societies (September 2007)

This material is still unreferenced, and it still looks like tosh to me. Editors keep fiddling about with it in a very POV manner [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15], and unless sources are supplied for this paragraph (pick any version of the paragraph you like, from the diffs above), I will remove it again as an obvious case of Schoolcruft. Remember, the criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. The argument that there can be no sources for "secret" organisations holds no water with me: see, e.g. Quill and Dagger and Skull and Bones. Knights Templar is a featured article: not only were they secret, but they've been dead for hundreds of years. — mholland (talk) 02:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Mholland, thank you once again for interfering in a matter that does not apply to you. The most recent revision is correct. Please stop interfering with a university page that you have never visited or have no idea about. I find it funny that you have created a word, "Schoolcruft"??? that is one of the most reidiculous things i have heard in a long time. Once again, please stop vandalizing this page.

Thank youl—Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.2.89 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for any offense caused here. Whether I am personally familiar with Wittenberg is not the issue: my own experience neither qualifies nor disqualifies me from editing (this is a founding principle of Wikipedia). As of now, of the last fifty edits to this article, roughly two thirds have been the addition or removal of material from the secret societies paragraph. User 136.227.2.89, you removed some of this yourself, with the edit summary "stop adding fake secret societies that dont exist. the ones that are currently listed are the only active ones". How is anyone unfamiliar with Wittenberg supposed to be able to tell if your version is correct? Please review WP:V. Please also consider registering an account for your contributions to Wikipedia: there are several benefits in doing so. Thank you. — mholland (talk) 15:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Due to the disagreement over how much of the secret societies material is true, this article has been semi-protected. I propose that the paragraph in question be reduced to list only verifiable facts. So far, the following sources have been offered: a "Hazing blog" and an article from Wittenberg Magazine online. I would like to replace the current text with the the following:

Wittenberg is home to several secret societies, including "the Wizards",[16] and the "the Shifters", who reportedly enlisted President Emeritus William A. Kinnison into membership in 1989 by presenting him with paperclips at commencement.[17]

I would be happy to see more material added, but only if it comes with a source. Thoughts? — mholland (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I've had a few comments on my talk page, some more helpful, some less so. Please remember to cite sources for material you add: reverting to the version of your choice without something to back it up is unhelpful. — mholland (talk) 19:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The Knights are active. What about all the "wkw" written around campus last week? what makes you think they aren't active? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realwitt (talk • contribs) 03:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

and whats all this bullshit about the village. i am not going to lie. i participate in "unsanctioned organization" pretty fucking often and let me tell you, some fucking freshman organization isn't real. so don't do writing bullshit about your bullshit duct tape badges. nuff said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.227.162.81 (talk) 04:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al Davis May 2008

I have re added Al Davis as a Wittenberg Alumni. Although Al Davis did not actually gradauate from Wittenberg, after a discussion with University Alumni office staff, it was determined that Al Davis attended Wittenberg for long enough to be considered a Wittenberg Alumni. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryandc04 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)