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[edit] Image

It's nice to have a picture in this article, but I wonder if we can come up with something besides the Band on the Run cover since it includes a bunch of people who were not members of the band. Jgm 13:20, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Funny, I thought the same thing and uploaded the current one without actually having read this. - Vague Rant 10:30, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
Excellent, this is much better, thanks. Jgm 17:11, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've moved the pre-Wings material into the Paul McCartney article, and I've moved any Wings material that was unique to there, into this article (which is much stronger). This should prevent the duplication and uneven treatment that existed.

By nature, Wikipedia includes some duplication, if only so that people don't need to jump around between multiple articles to learn about a single subject. I think the pre-Wings stuff is relevant to Wings, because it shows that McCartney's group (first just himself, then with Linda and session musicians) was expanding in the lead-up to the formation of Wings. Of course, we shouldn't include in-depth coverage, just a summary, and if the reader wants more information on those points, they can see the main article. I feel that the removal of this summary just makes the reader do more work to find something out. - Vague | Rant 13:10, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, the pre-Wings material shows the buildup of Wings: Linda on the first solo album, Denny Seiwall added to Paul & Linda on the second ... then, with Denny Laine also added, Wings on the third. AyaK 16:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Answer Songs

I removed a bit that claimed: It [Band on the Run] also included two songs, "Let Me Roll It" and "Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five", thought to be answer songs to "How Do You Sleep?", John Lennon's earlier scathing attack on McCartney. I'm going to have to ask for some citation for this, as these are simple, rather silly love songs and it's difficult to see how they could be answering Lennon. Jgm 01:04, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

"Let Me Roll It" was indeed widely seen as an affectionate imitation/parody/tribute of Lennon's style. A source is Roy Carr and Tony Tyler's The Beatles: An Illustrated Record, which was a best-selling treatment of the Beatles and then their solo careers, published in 1974. Another is Nicholas Schaffner's The Beatles Forever, published 1977. So I've restored that. However, I've never heard of "1985" being seen as a Lennon anything, so I've left that out. 67.108.122.62 10:50, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, I have no problem with the mention and wording the way it is now, thanks. Jgm 17:45, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Section headings

The current section headings, Before Wings and The Wings years seems rather odd. These would be perfectly good headings for the Paul McCartney article, but because this article is solely about the Wings, isn't it redundant to have a section heading titled The Wings years. :-) Akamad 12:13, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] References and citations from a book

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--andreasegde 13:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

I wonder if this article ought to be named Paul McCartney and Wings, so we can get rid of the nasty "(band)" disambiguation? They were called both names during their existence. I'm not necessarily advocating this merely asking what others think :) --kingboyk 18:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks right the way it is. Most of the time, the band was just called Wings. (16 of their 23 singles are credited to "Wings"; 7 to "Paul McCartney & Wings".) -- AyaK 16:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Headings?

Can someone with a little more knowledge about the band split this article into a few parts? It's a bit difficult to go through in this essay form.Aaaaalias 04:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I've split the band history into three "Lineup" sections based on the three different lead guitarists in Wings. Section 2 is the largest, though, since it encompasses everything from McGear (1974) to London Town (1978). AyaK 01:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Supergroup?

Looks like several posters contend that Wings shouldn't be classified as a "supergroup." However, based upon the definition of supergroup in Wikimedia -- AND the fact that Wings is expressly shown there as a supergroup because of Laine's background as the Moody Blues leader prior to joining Wings -- the word "supergroup" appears to be a correct description of Wings. If you don't think it's right, please take it up over there. AyaK 16:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The what

Someone needs to clarify the sentance at teh beging that begins with .. "the only three.." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.136.244 (talk) 23:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought the sentence was clear as written. For the record, it says: "The only three members in all of the different versions of Wings were McCartney, his wife Linda, and ex-Moody Blues guitarist and singer Denny Laine." As you can see from the article, Wings can be divided into three lineup groups (each with different drummers and lead guitarists) and seven different lineups -- and only three of the members were in all of those different versions. Does anyone else think that needs further clarification? AyaK 02:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Wings1974.jpg

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BetacommandBot 22:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Done. AyaK 22:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not to move --Lox (t,c) 14:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Wings (band) → Paul McCartney & Wings — I always knew "Wings" as "Paul McCartney & Wings", and I thought that all of their songs were officially credited to "Paul McCartney & Wings", and not just "Wings", except for some early songs. I also believe that if you guys oppose to this, then we should at least move the page to "Wings", because it's only a redirect page to "Wing (disambiguation)". We already have the disambiguation template at the top of this page, so then if anyone types in "Wings" on accident, then they can go directly to the disambiguation page listed at the top of the page. —— ObentoMusubi - Contributions 19:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Oppose. The band was Wings first, later with McC moving himself to top billing; the usage was inconsistent (on labels for various singles etc.) throughougt the band's run. Moreover, consider the search patterns:

Someone searching for Paul McCartney will easily find his page, including links to here.
Someone searching for Wings will find the redirect page including links to here (and given the size of that redirect page I don't think we can assume that all/most Wings attempts are for the band.
It seems unlikely that people looking for specifically for the band will type Paul McCartney and Wings and are much more likely to go with one of the above options.

Thus the way things are now is accurate and most straightforward for most searchers. Jgm (talk) 22:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Oppose Majority of works were attributed to Wings. Snocrates 09:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

I think we need a far stronger case to be made than the initial proposal. That's not to criticise the proposal, we are all learners here and it's good to be bold and have a go. But a case should be made in terms of Wikipedia:naming conventions, and I don't think that has been done. In particular, we need to look past official usage and try to see whether this is reflected in common usage. Andrewa (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Suzy and The Red Stripes & The Country Hams

How exactly are they "related acts"? Both are Wings in disguise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.234.115 (talk) 23:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I added Suzy and the Red Stripes as a related act because the record wasn't released on the same label in the U.S. (Epic) or the U.K. (A&M) as Wings' material was (EMI/Capitol), which indicates that it was not viewed as a Wings record by EMI despite the fact that Wings cut it. However, the Country Hams' single came out under the Wings contract and both sides are currently included as bonus tracks to a Wings album, so I'd support their deletion from this list. Is anyone defending the Country Hams as a separate act? -- AyaK (talk) 00:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I take the lack of comment as agreement with my decision to delete the Country Hams from the related-act list. -- AyaK (talk) 00:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)