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Contents 1 Logic Problem? 2 Article quality 3 Protected 4 No pic 5 Wrong Link !!! Different Schröder = 6 State Funeral 7 Time Magazine cover problem 8 "How Brandt was able to win over the students" 9 Confusing 10 Fair use rationale for Image:Willy Brandt Time.jpg

[edit] Logic Problem?

First we read:

Around 1973, West German security organizations received information that one of Brandt's personal assistants, Günter Guillaume, was a spy for the East German state.

and later, about Matthias:

Earlier that year - when the Brandts and the Guillaumes took a vacation to Norway together - it was Matthias, then twelve years old, who was the first to discover that Guillaume and his wife 'were typing mysterious things on type writers the whole night through'.

The later sentence reads to me as if Matthias was the first to discover that something was wrong with the Guillaumes, but this is clearly not the case if it was known the year before already.

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I have removed "He was the first chancellor to be free of any Nazi ties" or whatever that was. While his predecessor Kiesinger was indeed accused of those, IIRC, the same cannot be safely said of Adenauer. -- djmutex 2002-04-28

'Willy Brandt developed an alcohol problem and was frequently too drunk to speak.'. This is quite a serious allegation - can we have a source for it? Morwen 14:38, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article quality

This article has really come a long way since I first looked at it a year or so ago. I don't know anything special about Brandt so I cannot comment intelligently about accuracy or completeness, but as far as style, flow, readability, appropriate depth of coverage, neutrality, and all the rest, it seems quite well done now. One thing that may be missing is sourcing/footnotes.

Bhugh 23:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

I protected the page on the last stable version due to an ongoing edit war. 172 19:58, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

What's the problem here? The table seems perfectly legitimate. Mackensen 06:35, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

Please unprotect this page and revert to Burschenschafter's last version. What is wrong with the table? Andrewlevine 05:30, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] No pic

Since there is no longer a pic of Willy Brandt, I went searching for a new one. I found this site which has pics of all the chancellors and appears to have less restrictive copyright than most sites. (Never mind, it has a very restrictive copyright) That should come in handy as most of the chancellors previous to Brandt have badly tagged/sourced images as well. - Lucky13pjn 18:43, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong Link !!! Different Schröder =

In the bottom table: The predecessor as Min. o. frgn. Aff. was not that(current Chancellor) Gerhard Schröder!!!

[edit] State Funeral

I removed the part that says his funeral was the first German state funeral since 1929. The state funeral for Konrad Adenauer in 1967 is one of my earliest childhood memories :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romulus15 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time Magazine cover problem

The Time Magazine cover seems to imply that this is the "man of the year" cover when it is not. (It is just another time magazine cover showing Brandt but NOT the Jan 4 1971 edition that is actually the "man of the year".)

The actual "man of the year" cover can be found here: man of year cover

[edit] "How Brandt was able to win over the students"

I think that the name of this section should be changed to something that has more of a professional, encyclopedic tone to it. --Tabun1015 17:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

How about "Winning support from the left" or something like that. It was not just students he won over - although students were an important part of the radical left they were not the whole of it.

I have some knowledge of European political history but I am not German and have no strong right or left position. I would be happy to try to edit the language where neutrality is questioned (to improve grammar as well as to make it more NPOV). But I want to ask here first in case someone is working on a big edit. Shall I go ahead and edit?

Circusandmagicfan 08:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)Circusandmagicfan

From my point of view The Baby Boomers is not necessary at all. It is my generation, and (sorry, POV) there were probably as many Baby Boomers who liked Brandt as they disliked him. You can't say it that simply I'm afraid. German WP has nothing about this at all. The APO disliked him completely. --MrsMyer (talk) 14:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Brandt wasn't very left at the beginning and the end, but his policy made a big former part of the SPD, e.g. Hupkas refugees move to the conservative side. Brandt versus Kiesinger was more a life style question than really political (their cooperation in the grand coalition had been very smooth), Brandt won among the baby boomers with a VERY narrow one, quite comparably to Kennedy against Nixon some years before. KIeseinger tended to compare the students movement with his own students movement - as a young Nazi - and was not to harsh about them. Brandt in 1972 however won the best resulat of all times for the SPD. --Polentario (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing

The Portuguese Socialist Party won the elections in 1975 with only 37 %. The so called majority was with the combining votes of the PPD and the CDS. It´s really difficult to understand the political situation of Portugal during the PREC, in 1975, but the idea of a communist military dictatorship seems in reprospective virtually impossible. User:Mistico20:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Willy Brandt Time.jpg

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BetacommandBot 12:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

A rationale was added in the last few days so this problem should be solved. Bhugh 18:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)