Talk:Wilhelmshaven mutiny

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This page contains some errors; see November Revolution, chapter sailor's revolt: the mutineers were not carried to Kiel, the number of killed is not correct, Steinhäuser survived, the firts soldier's council was not formed by the III. squadron, the prisoners were released by the gouvernor... --Kuhl-k 22:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that this article is deleted, because the events are already covered by the november revolution article. --Kuhl-k 22:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

As Kuhl observed, there are several factual errors in this article, and it also confuses events from several different venues. Since I'm already working on the "Germany Project" I'll add this one to my list and try to work on it soon. If you have specific things you think should be included, leave me a note here. Thanks, and I'll get to this as quickly as I can. Wood Artist 07:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It was not until today that I realized that you like to keep this article. So I added two important scientific references on which I also based my remarks above and those parts which I wrote for the "German revolution". Kuhl-k (talk) 19:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The article seems to suggest that the mutiny led to the collapse of Germany and was therefore a prime cause. German collapse came about because of military defeat on the Western Front by Britain and France combined with a successful British naval blockade. Surely the mutiny was a symptom of German collapse not a cause. Any ideas for changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.105.180 (talk) 23:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to go down to very prime cause you have to look far beyond that. Just have a look at this part of a lecture from Hans-Rudolf Boehmer (Viceadmiral rtd., German navy inspector 1995-1998): "Imagine the imperial navy officers, mainly being of bourgeois origin, had recollected the liberal, national disposition of their fathers from 1848 and had put themselves at the forefront of the sailors' mutiny in Kiel - an Admiral had proclaimed the republic and carried away the German bourgeoisie - maybe German history had by that time starting from Kiel taken a more fortunate course. But exactly this is unimaginable, because with the foundation of the Empire Bismarck had once and for all dishearten the German bourgeoisie, or as Graf von Krockow puts it in his biography about his peer Bismarck: 'It was not until Bismarck that he had stolen the nation, so to say as a thief of format, from the encampement of civil liberty and carried it over to the conservative adverse encampement.' Since the foundation of the Empire national attitude has been equalled to Kaisertreue (loyalty for the Emperor). Thus Kiel's most important contribution to German history, the outbreak of the 1918 revolution will be viewed here at the Niemannsweg [street in the former officers' town quarter in Kiel, KK] until today as an embarrasment rather than as a necessary decisive turning point of German history." From: Hans-Rudolf Boehmer: "Kiel und die Marine", lecture at the RC-Kiel, May 2005 Kuhl-k (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)