Talk:Wiley College
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[edit] NPOV problems
This article has serious POV problems. I especially note that User: WN8KCY (contributions) is associated with a number of edits that include informal or nonencyclopedic language, addition of "famous alumni" that don't seem to fit the criteria for notability, various non-neutral comments about changes to policies such as employee benefits, and what appears to be original research with respect to the college's financial statements.
I get the distinct impression that the user is affiliated with the school in some way — which is not only OK, but is even normal for college-related articles, in my experience — and is perhaps finding it difficult to write about Wiley-related topics on which s/he has a strong opinion. I notice that the user has edited no other articles, while editing this one several times over a period of months. Having never even been to Marshall, I have no connection to the college and am not sure I'd be able to sort out the problems, but I wanted to summarize them for the benefit of any editors who might be more familiar with the topic than I and more experienced than other users at following the Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
I don't have a problem with our recording it if there is reliably documented criticism of Wiley's policies. I only have a problem if we're going to violate Wikipedia's standards in an effort to draw attention to something about which we have personal complaints. Lawikitejana 23:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Great Debaters Section
This is an obvious cut and paste from a movie blurb that is not only unattributed, but perpetuates the significant Harvard inaccuracy. The debaters in question never debated the Harvard team, rather the University of Southern California; undeniably a great achievement which should be correctly documented in an article that will no doubt be referenced by school children as the release of the film raises interest in the school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shn525 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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- What is the reason why the producers decided to change Wiley's opponent from USC to Harvard? It doesn't make a lot of sense. Oprah could have written a check, in much the same way Lucas paid for the Star Wars "prequels", so Hollywood politics wouldn't seem to matter. But did it?
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- Was it political? USC, like Harvard in Massachusetts and the Northeast, graduates many of the movers and shakers in California government, business and Hollywood (George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg both graduated from 'SC).
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- I really can't think of any other reason. If there is one, an editor should certainly add it.
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[edit] This article is a mess
Frankly, this article is a mess.
There are so many subdivisions, the article, as a result, is choppy and is almost reduced to bullet points. The list of notable alumnae is almost one of the dreaded "trivia" sections. It should be written as a paragraph to make it more encyclopedic.
The writing itself (in my opinion) is subpar, even for wikipedia; in fact, this article is a prime example of one of the reasons that wikipedia has such a low rep for quality.
In short: it needs a complete rewrite.
The lack of any citations, already noted, is also a major problem.
The fact that this school helped produce one of the prime movers of the Civil Rights era (James L. Farmer, Jr) means that it certainly deserves a better treatment than this.
PainMan (talk) 04:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- I folded a number of the subdivisions into the first part of the article. Still could use lots of work, maybe a rewrite. Mike Linksvayer (talk) 05:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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- You did a good job--considering the material's poor quality. The lower part is still a mess. I just watched The Great Debaters on DVD. It needs a high quality re-write. I know very little about the subject. Embarrasingly, I wasn't even aware of this event until I heard of (and then saw) the film. It also has an excellent short-film featuring some of the real people behind the characters or their children. Hopefully, a well-written article would encourage people to watch this movie.
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