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[edit] Mythical?
I don't understand. If it is mythical, how can historical figures be known to participate? -- Error 01:10, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
"Comprised of wolf-packs of older trainers and retinues of younger men, the Hari ritually raided villages from May Day to Samhain (Halloween), usually around the new moons. These ritual raids were viewed as a way to keep the world in harmony, in balance." Perhaps this were better expressed in the quoted words of the historical sources it depends upon, or the historian's analysis. If any... --Wetman 00:15, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- It appears that for some reasons that may be historical or tied to the nature of the myth, figures of at least partially human nature are preferred as hunt leaders to purely supernatural ones. You'll notice that in some places, the leader is still said to be an older god (Odin or Nuada), but in most cases, it is a man of historical significance, whose existence is already shrouded in myth (King Arthur), and who may have a reputation for being accursed... Actually, I'm surprised the Devil does not figure more prominently in medieval and post Renaissance tellings of the myth. --Svartalf 14:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
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- And, as events fall further into the past, they may be embroidered in their retelling. Memories fail, oral versions of the story may be misheard, overheard, etc, and some people purposely add to a story to give it more weight, or more credence, or for other purposes. --Badger151 04:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] garbled quote
- O. Höfler writing in 1934, [considered] a connection to with an ecstatic Odin cult and to draw on recent customs from German-speaking areas.
the syntax is somehow broken. First "to with an ecstatic cult" is not right, and "he [considered] a connection and to draw on recent customs" is not right either. What is the actual quote? I cannot fix this like the typos. dab (ᛏ) 18:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] maybe off topic
Every time I listen to the old country/rock tune Ghost Riders in the Sky I think of the Wild Hunt. I thought it was Celtic. Thanks for the info.
That is due to it being based on a similar American legend. It is Celtic, but also Germanic. It's probably slightly more common in the Germanic world (these days) as most of them have kept the tradition (Germany has a long tradition of it (as does England and the Scandinavian countries) for instance and has the most legends associated with it). I think all Indo-European cultures had the tradition at some point. So it could be thought of as Indo-European if that were the case.
The part of the text that mentions the song in this article is slightly incorrect, as the writer of the song did not just take the Wild Hunt tradition and set it in the west... It is a bonafide part of US folklore that the song references. Sigurd Dragon Slayer
[edit] Dalfser Muggen
by all appearances, the article now quotes a work due to appear only in May. dab (ᛏ) 11:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Wild Hunt and the chasse-galerie
Those are two varieties of the same legend. I believe if it relevant to merge them because it is basically the same thing, with different names. Actually, there are plenty more versions of these legends with plenty more names. If you speak French, you just have to look at the external links of the French article chasse-galerie to see that.
- I vote no. They're not remotely related.
- Yes, they are not remotely related. They are closely related. This is exactly why I want to merge these articles. Just look at what he have here (if you understand French) and compare with what's in the Wild Hunt article : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellequin#Historique
Sure they are related. However, the Chasse Galerie has become a legend of its own, if only because it has moved completely out of the Wild Hunt's traditional areas, integrated elements from folklores completely different from the original (Canada specific), and generally acquired a life of its own. If we were to merge all legends that are related, the Arthurian cycle would disappear and be merged with Celtic mythology. Of course, there's no question of doing that. --Svartalf 23:31, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I think Svartalf's right. "Wild Hunt" is a very broad category; "chasse-galerie," if I understood the somewhat incomplete French article, is a local and very specific articulation of the same phenomenon. The link to to the English-language chasse-galerie article does the job nicely. What I don't understand is why French Wikipedia doesn't have a more general article on the "mesnie hellequin" (typing in "mesnie hellequin" right now redirects you to the more specific chasse-gallerie); the phenomenon described by that term is virtually indistinguishable from some of the Wild Hunt narratives from medieval England. -- Estmere, 5 Aug 2006
- Wiki:fr does not have as many potential contributors as the English, and competent folklorists are unfortunately uncommon. I would not presume to create such an article by myself, not having the expertise and sources to do a proper job of it. --Svartalf 09:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- I don't like the merging idea either I can see more people looking up wild hunt than chasse-galerie. I had never heard of chasse-galerie until I clicked the wild hunt a minute ago. Whispering(talk/c) 17:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't see a particular reason to merge the two. The chasse-galerie doesn't even seem to be similar to the Wild Hunt. There is not, for example, any hunting aspect. Supernatural beings make no appearance beyond enchanting the canoe. The event is a one-time occurrence, rather than a periodic one, like the Wild Hunt. I'd vote "No" for a merge.
- Septegram 19:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Hi, I'm the one who suggested the merging. All of you so far agree not to merge the articles, so let's forget about it. I will remove the merge tag. This being said, I do believe it is relevant to link these articles somehow because those legends ARE related. By the way, chasse means hunt in French. The reason why the French Wikipedia doesn't have a more general article about mesnie hellequin is because I'm the one who wrote about it in the article and I did not think nor do think that creating a separate article is needed so far, the article not being that long. Parcemihi 12:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] "Middle Ages" section
I just noted an odd discrepancy in the Middle Ages section. The first line says, "Medieval legends are mostly from Germany." But nearly all the references that follow that line are from England. Either that line needs to be deleted, or a more substantial description of medieval German Wild Hunt legends needs to be added -- preferably the latter. --Estmere, 5 Aug 2006
The whole Middle Ages section is weird. Perchta is very rarely associated with the wild hunt. I believe the whole section has only been added to name a female mythological figure - because of feminist ideological reasons. I read four books about the wild hunt, and never had it anything to do with women or Perchta, or Diana from the roman mythology. This is completely out of place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.65.233 (talk) 02:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Oskorei = wild hunt
I heard somewhere that the term "Oskorei" is synonymous with the "Wild hunt". Is this correct? KarlXII 15:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
After reading Gundarssons article (see external ref.) I can see that it indeed is so. I will add a redirect to this article.KarlXII 15:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
