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[edit] Welcome

If you are reading this, you have found the new Dark Tower WikiProject. The goal of this project is to write and maintain great articles pertaining to The Dark Tower series of novels by Stephen King. Please see the main project page for ideas on things to do. --Mus Musculus 04:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Places?

I moved an old article about Castle Discordia to a new article called Places in The Dark Tower series and added some others. Currently, the only place from the series that has its own article is Lud. What other ones need articles? For a start:

What else? --Mus Musculus 20:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

First of all, The Dark Tower (series)#Places should be merged to Places in The Dark Tower series. Suggestion: In accord with WP:FICT, we can work on Places in The Dark Tower series until it becomes obvious that there is a lot of non-trivial information on certain places, which can then have their own articles. I don't have the Concordances or anything, so I can't tell how much there is to cite. Pomte 20:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Well.. just about anything you can think of is in Concordances. So one possible approach is that is someone wants to write about a place using facts from the books, I can verify the facts using the Concordance and add the citation with the correct page. Thanks for mentioning The Dark Tower (series)#Places - I had forgotten that was there. --Mus Musculus 21:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I mean the amount of text written to be proportionate, so there shouldn't be an essay on a subject that only receives a paragraph in Concordances. It would be a pity for any branched articles to get deleted for reason of fancruft and no real world context with only in-world sources. They would say that the intricate details belong in TowerWiki, not here. Pomte 21:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I see your point. I suppose we'll have to handle it on a per-article basis for now to see what issues arise. That's what yon WikiProject is for. The Concordance is very thorough; for places, it recounts everything that happened there; for characters, it recounts everything they did. I can't imagine too many circumstances where a lot more could be written than what is covered in the guide. --Mus Musculus 05:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bango Skank proposed deletion

I notice that Mus Musculus put up the {{prod}}. Worthy of merging to List of characters from the Dark Tower series at all? The never-seen character himself is not notable, but the connection to another literary work sounds interesting. Pomte 05:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought about that but I'm of the opinion that he's not really a "character" in that he's just the subject of graffiti in the books. I can see mentioning him in the novel articles, but that's about it. Seems too borderline fancruft. --Mus Musculus 06:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oy article created

I have just made the article for Oy, so now Roland's ka-tet is all articled. I'll try to make articles for the other requested ones. Is there anyway you can redirect Oy in the Dark Tower box so that when you click it it doesnt go to a disambiguation (and without it saying "Oy (Dark Tower)" on it?

Heres the article link Oy (Dark Tower) Long days and pleasent nights! --Gunmetal2k4 23:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. To disambiguate a link, put the actual article name at the left of the |, and what you wish to appear at the right of the |, like this:
[[Oy (Dark Tower)|Oy]]
It would be nice to have an article on Jamie to complete Roland's old ka-tet, but I would hesitate to say that he is a notable enough character. There is a sentence about him at List of characters from the Dark Tower series#Jamie De Curry. For Calla Bryn Sturgis, there is a short description at Places in The Dark Tower series. –Pomte 23:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jamie De Curry article created. Please add to it.

I just created a Jamie De Curry article but its a stub and needs more info on it. I searched the books for info but thats all I could find/remember. Link: Jamie De Curry --Gunmetal2k4 01:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ka-tet

Right now ka-tet redirects to ka, but there is barely any info on ka-tet there, so I'm going to merge the info from The Dark Tower glossary#Ka-tet over there. Also, we should italicize all instances of these terms, right? –Pomte 02:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with that. I think it is a good practice to italicize non-English terms for the reader. --Mus Musculus 20:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge White (Dark Tower) and Red (Dark Tower)

These stubs contain the same sentence and the same Alice in Wonderland reference, which would be easier to maintain if they were in one article. Possibly delete both and merge to The Dark Tower glossary. –Pomte 02:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I would support merging them. There is not that much to write about them - just merge and redirect. --Mus Musculus 20:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crying names

An anon went around recently and added the phrase "Roland cried (sic) his name as he approached the Dark Tower." to a whole bunch of articles. Does anyone else think they should be removed? --Mus Musculus 18:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, can them. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 18:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turtles all the way down

Stephen King in The Dark Tower series makes several references to a turtle holding up the earth, in various metaphors. Later in the series, he makes it clear that the origin of this metaphor is a play on the incident with the woman declaring that it's "turtles all the way down". The appearance of a palm-sized scrimshaw turtle likewise makes allusions to Pratchett's Small Gods when described as a "tiny god".

Can anyone verify this? –Pomte 07:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

King relates the story of the woman in the epilogue of one of the novels, but I don't have a citation right now. As far as I can tell, the Pratchett item is WP:OR. --Mus Musculus 14:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Song of Susannah, p.243, King relates the anecdote in his "diary" following the description of a dream which indicates the first conception of the Beam. --Chzimmerman 09:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Stephen King characters

User:Thanos777 has categorized Dark Tower characters under Category:Stephen King characters. But they are already in Category:The Dark Tower characters, which is a subcategory, and all Dark Tower characters are by definition also Stephen King characters. Categorizing them in both is redundant and adds clutter. Anyone oppose reverting? –Pomte 02:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Please do. As I noted on their talk page, there was also no need for sorting info since they have DEFAULTSORT whenever needed. PS. {{userlinks}} works better: Thanos777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 12:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Tower Portal

I created the Dark Tower Portal and have put a lot of work into it. It was and is not my intention to step on the feet of the Dark Tower WikiProject, but rather to work in conjunction. Articles and sections of the portal will derive from the work of the WikiProject; new articles will only be created via the Project's needs. Think of it in terms of a car: if the WikiProject is the engine, then the Portal shall be the body. Michealb1969 03:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Randall Flagg

I'm trying to get Randall Flagg's article to either GA or FA status. I've put a lot of effort in the article in the last couple of weeks, expanding and reworking various sections along with adding sources and external information such as quotes and analysis. I put it up for peer review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Randall Flagg. Any suggestions you have would be welcome.--CyberGhostface 18:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-notable character articles

I propose merging all of these character articles back into List of characters from the Dark Tower series.

Pimli Prentiss
Andrew Quick
Calvin Tower
Finli O'Tego
Steven Deschain
Shardik (Dark Tower)
Sheemie Ruiz
Blaine the Mono

All of these seem non-notable by themselves, especially those that appear in only one book. –Pomte 02:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be a good idea. Blackngold29 15:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tull

Is it just me, or should there be an article on Tull somewhere? It is where you first hear of "19", and sheb as well. It is also where you first hear the name "Walter O' Dim", and see some of his power. Lanxord, the Nobody Gunslinger (talk) 22:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

I have noticed there are not many Dark Tower Userboxes, but I do not know how to make them. I have a really good idea though, so, where would I put my idea forth? Lanxord, the Nobody Gunslinger (talk) 15:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture for the wikiproject

A gun. Not a bad choice, but wouldn't a rose be more appropriate? I'd change it if I knew how to, but I don't. MwNNrules (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

How about both? Blackngold29 00:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Good idea actually. Kind of like the gun and the rose in the keyhole that you see on the books. MwNNrules (talk) 10:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal

It would seem that activity within the Project has been relatively low over the past few months. I would like to propose that the project adopt an "Article of Focus" incitative in order to concentrate Project improvements. Basically, various articles would be nominated and voted on. The winning article would then be concentrated on by as many members as possible. Once the article has been adaquately improved (preferably up to Good article status) the process would then repeat. I have seen this system used and work well within other projects. Any thoughts? Blackngold29 23:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Although I admit I am biased in suggesting this, I've been working on Randall Flagg a lot recently with a couple of other editors. Its a Good Article right now, but I'm trying to get it to featured. So if we do decide to do this, Randall Flagg is my nomination.--CyberGhostface (talk) 23:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I haven't finished the seventh book in The DT or The Stand, so I don't want to read through the Flagg article and spoil anything just yet. Usually I would think a lower class article would be more suitable as the AoF, but improvments are improvements, so you will get no objections from me as to the outcome of the vote. Blackngold29 00:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
How about The Gunslinger? The article could really use some improvement, and, as it is the first in the series, most of us will have read it. However a featured article would be pretty cool (a triumph for the project as well), so I'm fine with anything. --MwNNrules (talk) 04:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to set up the nomination page in the next few days. Hopefully we can attract some more people to our cause. Thanks! Blackngold29 04:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Will it be going into affect soon? Or are we waiting for more votes? MwNNrules (talk) 00:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I was actually waiting to see if there was any more response to my Stephen King WP idea. But I suppose it couldn't hurt to do it. I should have it up within the next few hours. Blackngold29 01:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

It is now up and awaiting nominations. It can be found here. Blackngold29 01:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Should somebody alert the other members of the project of the new idea? I will, if encouraged. --MwNNrules (talk) 03:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Go for it! Blackngold29 04:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Done. Hopefully that'll get another vote or two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MwNNrules (talk • contribs) 19:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Is the election process over yet? --MwNNrules (talk) 06:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The Gunslinger has become the project's first Article of Focus. I have started a rough "to do list" on its talk page, please expand the list where you can. Voting is now open for the second AoF. Blackngold29 06:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I gave everyone except for you and I an automatic messgage. It might get gratuitous, so I might stop. Wish I had a bot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MwNNrules (talk • contribs) 07:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stephen King Wikiproject

A WikiProject concerning Stephen King has been proposed here. All interested are encouraged to add their name to the list. The project will obviously have close ties to this one; I hope that the two projects can work in close conjunction with one another, or possibly combine forces. Any suggestions are welcome. Blackngold29 22:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)