Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Seattle/Archive2

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Archive This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Contents

Seattle buildings

Hello all, I joined the project today. I made a template for Seattle Skyscrapers and put it at Template:Seattle_Skyscrapers. Then I added it to the articles about all the buildings listed at over twenty floors in the list of Seattle Buildings. I know that there are more. The list seems quite incomplete. Apparently, there's no article about the Municipal Tower, for example (or it's officially known by a different name, I'll keep searching). I also added the WikiProject Seattle tag to all of the articles about the buildings as well as the articles about the Paramount Theatre and the Carlin Hotel. I wanted to make a category of Seattle Templates, to group all of our templates under one roof so we can see how many we have and add them to articles that need them. I tried to do that, but I don't think I did it correctly. The link still appears red. Any help? Peace, Joshua Crowgey 22:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Including templates in a category is tricky. I believe what you need to do is to add the category to each relevant template, but inside a <noinclude> section to avoid including it when using the template. - Jmabel | Talk 08:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Today I made the page for the Seattle Municipal Tower and the Fourth and Blanchard Building. I'm still wanting to know how to make a category to contain all the seattle templates. I also expanded the template I made yesterday for the Seattle Skyscrapers. I've got a lot of red links in there, so feel free to help out. Also, there doesn't seem to be a free image of the Municipal tower on wikimedia. I'll take one myself next time I'm downtown (and I have my camera and I remember) but if someone has one they could upload it and add it to the article. Ciao J Crow 19:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of Seattle buildings, I've been working on adding appropriate images (and categories) to Commons:Category:Registered Historic Places in Washington. Currently, I'm uploading a bunch of photos of the Harvard Belmont Landmark District. On one particular house, I seem to have its address wrong, and wondered if anyone could help out: I had this as 247 Belmont Pl. E., but looking at a map that doesn't make any sense. It's right by where Belmont Place E meets Summit Ave E, it's a bit twisty in there. Anyone know the right address? Also (you can't really see this at gallery size, but click on the middle image), am I correct in identifying the flag at left as a Jordanian flag? - Jmabel | Talk 08:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a Palestinian flag to me, but kinda hard to tell for sure. Murderbike 19:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Address is 1047; I'm renaming the images accordingly. - Jmabel | Talk 02:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Burien-area suburbs photos

I'm going to be doing some photo taking around the Burien/Des Moines/Federal Way/Kent area suburbs to help with those pages. I did ones for the Highline Botanical Garden and Highline High School. There's a lot of the smaller suburbs that have pages but no pics, and I'm working on fixing that. I also want to get one of the T-Mobile USA headquarters in Factoria, since that page only has a pic of some random store in San Jose. -- Jwinters | Talk 18:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Stop the Draft

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Stop the Draft is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 09:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Registered historic places

At the risk of tooting my own horn: take a look what I've been doing at List of Registered Historic Places in King County, Washington#Seattle. Still work in progress... - Jmabel | Talk 02:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, quite impressive. If you had the time, and you made a list with (or without, I do have the internet) addresses of the places that need photos which are in Georgetown, SODO, or downtown, I could knock out some photos pretty easily. Murderbike 02:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The two in Georgetown proper are done (the Steam Plant & the old city hall; oddly, the old brewery does not have this status, but I did a bunch of pictures of that earlier this year). Down that way, though, are the 14th Avenue South Bridge and Building No. 105, Boeing Airplane Company. Do you want to take those? (Everything should go on Commons somewhere under Commons:Category:List of Registered Historic Places in Washington.)
The only thing in SoDo is the Triangle Hotel and Bar (I'll get that done easily enough). There are several left in downtown (mostly in the southern half) but I'm actually looking forward to taking a few hours to do those sometime in the next few days. On the other hand, if you feel like taking a bunch of miscellaneous pictures in the Pioneer Square - Skid Row Historical District (and putting them on Commons in Commons:Category:Pioneer Square, Seattle, Washington), that would be great. That's a bit thin so far.
The toughies are probably going to be the Showboat Theater (demolished: does someone have an old photo?) and the remaining boats (I have the Wawona and there were PD federal pictures of the Coast Guard Cutter Fir and the Duwamish; I suppose I can find the Virginia V; I don't think any of the others are docked in public places.) Also, mysteriously, Duwamish Number 1 Site has a secret location; does anyone know the story on this offhand, I haven't tried following it up yet. - Jmabel | Talk 06:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I can get those ones. Try to do it in the next couple days. Murderbike 06:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way, in many cases my descriptions on the photos on Commons amount to stub articles. If someone feels like adding a bunch of these articles to the English-language Wikipedia, that would be great. - Jmabel | Talk 17:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Re the comment above "I suppose I can find the Virginia V":The Virginia V is docked in front of the large Naval Armory building at South Lake Union close to the Center for Wooden Boats. Cheers. J Crow 21:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yup. Took a picture of it just a few hours ago. The Duwamish is right by it, so I got more shots of that, and the Pirate is in the CWB itself, so ditto. Turns out that the Adventuress now lives in Port Townsend. The SS San Mateo is apparently falling to bits up in Canada. Does anyone have an old picture we can scan? - Jmabel | Talk 21:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I found out the story on Duwamish Number 1 Site. It's a Native American archaeological dig, hence the near secrecy about location. It's also known as 45-KI-23. Here is a tidbit about it (and about its approximate location). There is apparently a relevant collection at the Burke Museum but it hasn't been digitized. This spreadsheet has some suggestive information. Article potential, anyone? There seem to be relevant academic papers to follow up, if someone feels like a proper library research project. I suspect that the Burke has materials that someone could get permission to photograph. Short of that, though, I don't see where we'll get a relevant image. - Jmabel | Talk 06:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Very nice, all. Now that I'm leaving Amazon I may have more time to contribute! --Lukobe 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Seattle/NRHP photos status

This is now about 90% complete, but some of what remains is probably going to be difficult. Here's a list of the ones that I think are going to be at least somewhat tough; please help maintain the list as we sort some of this out.

(Status details, previously here, are now at Talk:List of Registered Historic Places in King County, Washington#Seattle photos status.)

  • Adventuress: Now in Port Townsend
  • John B. Agen Property
  • Duwamish Number 1 Site: Discussed above
  • MV Vashon
  • MV Westward
  • Judge James T. Ronald House: Location a mystery Solved Jmabel | Talk
  • SS San Mateo: dying up in Canada, as discussed above
  • Schooner Martha
  • Showboat Theater: Demolished. Does anyone have a photo?
  • (Old) Temple De Hirsch: I have a picture of the ruins; does anyone have an old photo of the building intact?
Tracy House
actually in Normandy Park
Wagner Houseboat
Zodiac
I believe it's now in Bellingham DONE - Jmabel | Talk 07:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

There are two others down by Boeing that Murderbike says he'll do, and another dozen or so that I still haven't gotten to.

DONE Jmabel | Talk

Note, by the way, that for a lot of these it would still be great to get interiors; there are only about 15 or 20 with any interior shots to speak of, mostly churches. - Jmabel | Talk 19:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I had to run to Spokane for a couple days, so won't be back in Seattle to get those til the weekend. HOWEVER, I'll be in Bellingham next week, so if you know where the Zodiac is moored, I can get that too. Murderbike 22:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Fairhaven Cruise Terminal, if it is in port. It apparently winters in Seattle, so if you don't get it in B'ham, no crisis. - Jmabel | Talk 23:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Except for the above and the two that Murderbike says he'll do, all the rest now have a photo on the list page. - ~

I've been trying to get to Dick Wagner at the Center for Wooden Boats about the various remaining boats (and his houseboat), but no luck so far with him getting back to me. Quite surprising. - Jmabel | Talk 07:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Visit the suburbs

Take a peek at Everett Public Library and help decide if it should stay or go. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 03:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

A car park that merits an article

This car park used to be Seattle's Grand Opera House.
This car park used to be Seattle's Grand Opera House.

No joke. The exterior of Seattle's onetime Grand Opera House survives as the shell of a car park. The building at 213–217 Cherry Street, Seattle, Washington was once a theater owned by John Cort, of Cort Circuit fame. It survived a 1906 fire, but after it was gutted by another fire in 1917, it was converted to a parking garage in 1923. See HistoryLink.org Essay 2651 and Seattle Department of Neighborhoods article on 213 Cherry ST / Parcel ID 0939000090. This one should be fun to write, and has definite WP:DYK potential. Someone want to write it? - Jmabel | Talk 07:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I've done it myself at Grand Opera House (Seattle). By the way, the John Cort on whom we have an article is not the theatrical entrepreneur. It is a recently deceased Christian socialist writer and activist. I have linked John Cort (Cort Circuit). He certainly deserves and article: at one time he owned hundreds of theaters. Similarly, our article John Considine is on an actor who I think is a descendant of the vaudeville pioneer I have ventured to link as John Considine (Seattle) and who also deserves an article, especially because he was acquitted in one of Seattle's most famous murder trials (the recently-ex-chief of police came gunning for him; he and his brother successfully defended themselves and killed the former head cop; they were acquitted on the basis that it was continuous combat. 1901. In the same G.O. Guy drugstore where a friend and neighbor of mine had his first job, circa 1970.) - Jmabel | Talk 09:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
John Considine (Seattle) article now well under way. - Jmabel | Talk 20:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that might be the coolest DYK hook I've ever seen. Murderbike (talk) 20:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I always try to find a grabber.
I've done what I can on Considine. Most other articles on him seem to be just rehashes of the Murray Morgan chapter I used. Does anyone know of something else? - Jmabel | Talk 04:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I've done the basics on Cort as well, though I suspect there are other good (probably print) sources to be had on him. - Jmabel | Talk 09:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

FAR notice

Seattle, Washington has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LaraLove 17:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

At Wikipedia:Featured article review/Seattle, Washington#Tracking some of the specific issues, I've set up a place to list issues that have been raised about the article. If you are looking to help out, this is a good guide to tangible work that needs doing. - Jmabel | Talk 21:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

It looks to me like we've pretty much gotten this back together. Does anyone want to make an editorial pass through for style, etc.? - Jmabel | Talk 20:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
The article definitely needs some copy editing. Lukobe has volunteered to do some when he gets time, but I'm not entirely sure how much time the article has before the the FARC hammer comes down. Although, I'm not sure on how together we have the rest of the article. They keep mentioning citation problems, but we've added about a hundred since this whole thing started and they haven't been overly descriptive as to what citation problems remain. --Bobblehead (rants) 21:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll do a copyedit pass now and will slap a "please let me work" tag on while I'm doing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukobe (talk • contribs) 23:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Oops! Anyway--I made it as far as "Culture"--gotta stop for today. --Lukobe 00:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Definite improvements so far. --Bobblehead (rants) 02:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Looks like the article passed its FAR movement! Thanks everyone.... --Lukobe (talk) 03:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Pending GA review of Ballard Carnegie Library

Just FYI, Ballard Carnegie Library is up for GA review, if anyone wants to take a pass at it. It's a old library building in Seattle. • Lawrence Cohen 15:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Pending GA review of Joe Szwaja

Joe Szwaja is also up for GA review, if you can lend a hand. He is a Green party politician in Seattle. • Lawrence Cohen 15:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination: Century 21 Exposition

I've recently done major work on Century 21 Exposition, and have nominated it for GA. - Jmabel | Talk 18:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

This is now very close to a GA. It needs a good copyedit before its final review on November 24. I've done what I can, but have reached the point where it is hard to edit myself. Could someone else have a look? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 04:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Old Seattle images

I've started Commons:Category:Seattle, Washington before 1950. Unsurprisingly, it's mostly images that were published pre-1923, hence public domain. But any nth-generation Seattlites with old family photos are very encouraged to add them. And anyone with access to old books, similarly.

Does anyone have the official program of the A-Y-P exposition? I imagine it contained some images worth having. How about a postcard of Luna Park from while it still existed? (If you have things like this and you are in the Seattle area but lack a scanner, contact me and we can work something out). - Jmabel | Talk 20:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you checked this page out: [1] It has a large number of A-Y-P images. The page says the images are protected, but being from 1909 I'm not sure if that's possible.. Could be vague enough to exclude their use though. --Bobblehead (rants) 22:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Here's their permissions request form. http://www.lib.washington.edu/specialcoll/reproduction/permissions.html -- could ask, or could just use under the theory the photos are so old. --Lukobe 23:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Work in progress, but check out what I'm doing at Commons:Category:Seattle and the Orient. Some great pictures from a 1900 brochure. - Jmabel | Talk 19:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Work complete, at least for the present. - Jmabel | Talk 06:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone pin down where any of these were: Got most of them! But there are a few with open issues, as indicated below: - Jmabel | Talk 02:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Occidental Ave, SW corner Main (so this is now the Union Trust Building)

112 W. Washington

Western Ave. corner Columbia (is this the same building that is now the Journal of Commerce?)

308-310 First Ave S.

1313-1315 First Ave.

- maybe somewhere on Capitol Hill?

Madison St. at the NW corner of 18th Ave.

128 Highland Drive

Somewhere in the 8 blocks of University Heights, but just where?

109 Fifteenth Ave N. (now Fifteenth Ave E.)

I suspect that the Seattle Cracker and Candy Company building is still standing, somewhere in the Pioneer Square neighborhood: it looks awfully familiar. I imagine the J.E. Fox Saw Company building is long gone, unless possibly it was a bit farther south, in which case it just might survive. Puget Sound News Company moved several times. Its 1915 building is at 2nd & Virginia, and I believe more recently housed the Seattle Weekly, but I'm wondering about the fate of this older building, presumably (from its style) either in the Pioneer Square area or somewhere along Western.

[added 19:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)] Commons:Image:Seattle - University Heights - 1900.jpg says it's "A view on University Heights from Fremont Avenue". Clearly that cannot be the present-day Fremont Avenue, which is nowhere near University Heights. I know that several avenues in the University District area were renamed in the early 20th century. Any clues?

[added 20:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)} Commons:Image:Seattle - J.E. Galbraith house - 1900.jpg was at "109 Fifteenth Ave. N." I'm not sure where Fifteenth Ave. N. was. I've seen it in a few addresses from that era, but there is no such street name today.

I suppose one possibility is to head to the downtown library and look through old business directories, but I thought I'd ask here first. - Jmabel | Talk 20:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


  • Love that downtown library. Answered most of these & a lot of other questions.
  • Fremont Ave. + Univ. Heights almost certainly an error.
  • This part of Fifteenth Ave. N. is now Fifteenth Ave. E.- Jmabel | Talk 02:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Map

We really need a good map for the Seattle article. (I removed the old one a while back because it was a work in progress and work stopped rather early in that progress). Any thoughts? The request seems to be going unnoticed. --Lukobe (talk) 04:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you give an example of a map of another city that is the sort of thing you have in mind? - Jmabel | Talk 00:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm--I looked at Philadelphia, New York, and L.A., and none of them had what I was thinking of...but basically an updated version of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Seattle_map.png --Lukobe 07:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Looks like the new Portal:Seattle's using the old map.. --Lukobe 07:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Other than changing "Seahawks Stadium" to "Qwest Field", what else would you want changed? - Jmabel | Talk 07:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I guess I mean expanded, not updated--there are no landmarks on this map north of Woodland Park or south of Alki Point (with the exception of Seward Park). The freeways and some major arterials might be nice as well. --Lukobe 07:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree on the freeways. And maybe we should add the route of the new Link Light Rail? As for landmarks, though: I'd be hard pressed to name a landmark north of Woodland Park. Maybe North Seattle Community College and the Northgate Mall? Not a lot south of Alki, either. Maybe Georgetown? Columbia City? If we're adding those then, more centrally, either Capitol Hill or the Broadway District as such merit mention. The only other landmarks to the south I can think of are (in the southwest) South Seattle Community College and (in the southeast) Kubota Park. Anyone have others to propose? - Jmabel | Talk 22:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, since it looks like some parks make it as landmarks (e.g., Discovery), then Magnuson and Golden Gardens would count in the north, too, and Jefferson in the south... ---Lukobe (talk) 07:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Not being a golfer, I rarely think of Jefferson Park as anything but an obstacle, but I suppose that to many it is a landmark. Then should we add Jackson Park, too? And by the way, does someone want to take on doing this? - Jmabel | Talk 21:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

See if Commons:Image:Seattle map 2.png is more what you want. I didn't try to do the roads, though, just added more landmarks. If you think it is an improvement, then substitute it. Someone who can do an SVG should really do this from scratch. - Jmabel | Talk 07:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Shortcut

Hey guys, i thought i'd do you a favour and create a shortcut to your page, just type in WP:STL and you'll get a direct link to the WikiProject, its much easier i have found after creating my WikiProject, WP:WLA or WikiProject Los Angeles, if you dont like it feel free to delete it. Cheers, (♠Taifarious1♠) 22:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for shortcuts, though this one might confuse people, as STL is the code for St. Louis, Missouri. Maybe WP:SEA is available? Murderbike (talk) 22:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be a wikiproject for St. Louis, so I went ahead and created WP:SEA and we now have both pointing towards this Wikiproject. If St. Louis ever gets a wikiproject, they can swipe the STL link. --Bobblehead (rants) 22:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Does'nt worry me, I just thought it'd be easier. (♠Taifarious1♠) 06:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Moore 100 Open House Celebration

I took a ton of photos on Monday, which I am uploading in Commons:Category:Moore 100 Open House Celebration (or in some cases just in Commons:Category:Moore Theatre and Hotel). Mostly, I can identify the notable people in these images, but there was a somewhat rotating "house band" at the end, where I cannot identify all the individuals. I'm going to be asking for some help here. Photos should appear here over the next several days. Photos are all uploaded 23:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC).' Obviously, you'll need to click through to have much of a chance of ID'ing.

See http://www.themoore.com/artists/?artist=642 for the intended "house band" lineup, but there were definitely people on the list who didn't show, and people playing who were not on the list. The list includes most of Vendetta Red, but I don't know their individual faces. - Jmabel | Talk 22:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

This was the first batch of musicians playing, none of whom I recognized.

Same people, different photo.
Moore Theatre 100 Years - Dave Dederer 01A.jpg

Dave Dederer? No, says Kate Becker, it's Jeff Rouse; file will be renamed accordingly.

Later on. No idea who was playing by this point. Joe Reineke. Thank you KB.

The rightmost person in the previous one might be more identifiable here.

Artis the Spoonman in foreground, but who is the guitarist? Or the (partially obscured) pianist?

Again, easy to spot Artis, but who's the drummer? ID'ing the guitarist would be cool, too, but I'm afraid the image shows mostly hair. Drummer is Josh LaBelle. Thanks to KB.

Again, Artis is obvious; any idea who's on either side?

Four young musical theater actors from Broadway Bound and a pianist. Anyone know any names?

Anyone know the pianist's name (his back is to the camera, unfortunately). I think his last name was Heuer, but I didn't properly catch it.

If anyone can identify the drummer, please do.

The guy is Hallie Kuperman of the Century Ballroom. Anyone know who the woman is?

Anyone know Sydni Deveraux's pianist here?

I know it's unlikely, but if anyone can identify any of these staffers other than David Allen & Josh Labelle, go for it. (KB has identified a few others, I'll annotate accordingly - JM)

Ditto. (Some might be STG rather than the Moore as such.)

Kate Becker (of The Vera Project) was pretty sure on Dave Dederer (sure enough that I've captioned accordingly), but confirmation would be nice, because all other images I've seen of him show his hair shorter and curly. - Jmabel | Talk 20:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's not Dave. Last time I saw him, in September 2007, his hair was indeed short and curly. Even if he'd let it grow since then, I don't think it'd have had time to get that long by now, and also it would be very curly. He gets a bit of an afro when he lets it grow. I doubt he's taken to using an iron :) --Lukobe (talk) 00:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Kate just wrote me again and says basically so much for ID'ing people from a distance at the tail end of a party. - Jmabel | Talk 05:04, 19 December 2007 (UTC)