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[edit] Importance standards
This is my idea for importance standards:
Rules, organisation etc
- Top
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- Rules
- IRB
- Unions of tier one rugby nations
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- High
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- Diff rugby union positions
- Unions of tier two rugby nations
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National Teams
- Top
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- National teams of tier one countries (tier one according to IRB)
- Composite test playing teams with Test players from tier one countries (e.g Lions)
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- High
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- National teams of tier two countries
- Composite test teams with players from tier two countries (e.g. Pacific Is team)
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- Medium
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- Other national teams that have competed in one or more Rugby World Cup
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- Low
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- National rugby teams that have not competed in the Rugby World Cup
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Club and provincial teams
- Top
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- Club and provincial teams that play in the Super 14 or Heineken Cup, or have done so within the last 5 years
- Teams that have been champion of the top professional club competition in a tier one rugby nation within the last 8 years. For example, Top 14, NPC/ANZC, Currie Cup, Celtic League etc.
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- High
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- Club or province that has competed in the top professional competition of a tier one rugby nation within the last 5 years.
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- Medium
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- Club or province that has competed in the lower league of the top competition of a tier one nation within the last 5 years.
- Club or province that has been champion or runner up in the top competition of a tier two rugby nationan within the last ten years.
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- Low
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- Other club or province.
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Players
- Top
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- Player named IRB player of the year.
- Current captain of tier one national team.
- Captain of World Cup winning team.
- Player of tournament in Rugby World Cup
- Player holding major record for tier one country. This includes; most test points, most tests, most test tries.
- Winning captain of Heineken Cup or Super 14
- Record point scorer for Heineken Cup or Super 14
- Record point scorer for World Cup.
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- High
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- Former Captains of a tier one rugby nations national team.
- Player from tier one national team who's played over 20 Tests
- Current captain of tier two national team
- World cup winning player
- Captain of champion team from top competition in tier one nation.
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- Medium
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- Any player from tier one nation who has played a test
- Player from tier two nation who has played over 20 tests
- Professional player with title in domestic competition of top tier rugby nation.
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- Low
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- Professional rugby player
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Coaches
- Top
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- Current coach of tier one national team
- Coach of world cup winning side
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Competitions
- Top
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- Top international competition, World Cup, Tri-Nations, Six-Nations
- Top provincial competition in Tier one nation
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Society & History
- Top
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- History and society globally
- History and society for tier one rugby nations
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Please add to this and comment on it. Thanks. - Shudda talk 12:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Thats a pretty good overview Shudda. The only thing I would change would be the national Unions being Top Importance. I can't say that there is that much to write/read about the unions, except maybe the RFU, and although they are very important, they are not as notable as say RWC/All Blacks/Lions/Heineken Cup..etc...Thoughts? Cvene64 14:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think it really depends how much influence they have over the game in their country. For example in New Zealand the NZRU basically have the power to do what they want with players and competitions. In some other unions, esp in the northern hemisphere clubs are very important and so the unions aren't as influencial. Then you have Australia where the state unions more or less run the game. So I think maybe it's a different depending on the country. It's not a major issue though, these importance ratings are mainly supposed to tell us what articles are a higher priority then others as far as editing goes though. - Shudda talk 21:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A-Rating
I'am little hesitant to add anything to the A category, as it seems as though an article must be basically FA status to have an A rating...but...between A (and GA) and Start class, there is only a B category. I put articles like Twickenham, IRB and the Reds in the B category, and rated All Blacks as Start. I was going to put the ABs in B, but in comparison to the IRB/Reds article, the ABs really is not on the same level of quality, especially in terms of references...So heres the problem, if Reds/IRB are not A-Class, and thus B-Class, but ABs is good enough not to be Start, but not as good as the other Bs....what should we do?
I say we tone down the A requirements, as there really is not much point of having it the way it is right now, because any articles of that quality would either already be FA, or definantly be GA...so I think we should make A more flexible, so then there is not a huge variety of quality in the B articles...Thoughts? Cvene64 14:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah I actually didn't come up with any of the criteria for the different ratings. They ratings are as per the wikipedia 1.0 programme (see WP:1.0). I certainly think that most RU articles are start, stub or B class. A class is a little tougher to determine and GA and FA need to go through a peer-review process anyway so we don't need to be determining that. - Shudda talk 21:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 'A', u-21 and womens national teams?
What should these be rated? Teams like Australia A are fairly important, and play against full nations like Fiji and so on. I think Australia is the only nation that has an u-21 team, but where should that go? Low? What about womens? Aus A also play in the Pacific Nat. comp. Cvene64 09:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- I would think that A team articles would not be as important as those from national teams that have played in the rugby world cup (no matter what tier they are). As well, someone wanting to read about rugby would prob look at the mens teams first, so women's teams would have to be rated less important. You are prob right that winners are mid, others low, although the Black Ferns would prob be a high, as they have won three WRWC in a row, and would be the most notible womens team in the world. - Shudda talk 01:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stadiums
What system should be used for rating stadiums? Cvene64 02:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Good point, probably yes.--HamedogTalk|@ 02:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thats a really good point. Feel free to come up some suggestions. There are a couple of things to consider though, one is that a lot of the stadiums are used for more then one sport. Secondly, there may be amnother wikiproject that deals with buildings/stadiums/architecture. If so may want to leave it to them. - Shudda talk 03:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Top
- Any Stadium which has hosted the final of a Rugby World Cup
- Any Stadium which hosted the first ever test match of a tier-1 nation
High
- The Six Nations stadium of a Six Nations country.
- Any stadium which has been used in the Tri Nations
- Any stadium which has hosted a quarter-final or semi-final of a rugby world cup.
- Any stadium which has hosted the final of the Heineken Cup or Super 14.
Mid
- Any stadium which has been used in the pool or second round stages of the Rugby World Cup
- Any stadium which has been used in the Super 14 or Heineken Cup
- Any stadium which has been used in the World Sevens circuit.
Low
- Any stadium which has been used in the NPC/ANZC, English Premiership, APC, Celtic League, Currie Cup, TOP 14 and Top League. Similar leagues are also Low.
- Home stadium(s) of a tier 2 or lower nation.
- Sounds pretty good. But I would like to see 6N stadia as Top imo. Cvene64 06:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Suggested expansion
I'd suggest expanding some criteria slightly:
High:
- Any stadium that has hosted an Argentina test against a Tier One country.
- Argentina is the only Tier One country that is not currently involved in a formal international league with other Tier One countries. IMHO, a stadium that has hosted an Argentina home match against a Tri Nations or Six Nations participant (e.g. Vélez Sársfield) is equivalent to a Tri Nations/Six Nations ground.
- Any stadium that has hosted the final of the Rugby World Cup Sevens.
- I believe that each Rugby World Cup Sevens is conducted in only one stadium, so "the final of" may be redundant.
Mid:
- Any other stadium that has hosted an Argentina home test.
What do you think? — Dale Arnett 10:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Questioning ratings
I was just wondering why 2006-07 IRB Sevens World Series is rated as mid-importance but then articles such as 2006 Dubai Sevens and 2007 Wellington Sevens are rated as high on the importance scale? Since they are just one part of the tournament, shouldnt they be less important?Cstubbies 13:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Currie Cup not Included on International Schedule
On the link at the bottom of rugby related articles which shows a schedule of the international rugby calender i noticed that the Currie Vup, running from july to october was not included, even though much newer, and less recognised competitions such as the arc were included. Someone needs to add the currie cup to the schedule —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.239.185.73 (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
