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[edit] Heavy Metal?

Anyone else agree that Led Zeppelin should not be classified as Heavy Metal?

  • Led Zeppelin is strictly not heavy metal as per comparisons during that era with Black Sabbath and Blue Cheer, for example. You usually can tell when someone knows about the music if they call it heavy metal or not. MegX (talk) 00:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hear hear, Led Zeppelin is not heavy metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marvelous marvin (talk • contribs) 00:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Personal opinions aren't required on Wikipedia. Just cited text. And Led Zeppelin being heavy metal... one of the first heavy metal bands at that... is well referenced. 156.34.226.197 (talk) 12:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
But led zep aren't heavy metal, they were blues rock orientated like the cream or the who, deep purple are heavy metal, and led zeppelin is the softest out of all of them.DangerTM (talk) 07:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I respect what you're saying User:156, but read what Plant and Page have stated publicly previously on this issue. Only a small fraction of what they recorded or performed could be classed as strictly "heavy metal" per se. Sure, they have been labelled as such by some in the media, but to brand them simply as a heavy metal band misses what they were trying to create as a whole. Whether you wish to call them heavy or not is subjective. I'm not going to get involved in any dispute over it. There is already enough vandalism on Wikipedia to worry about having to spend time over this issue. MegX (talk) 08:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concert tour pages and reliable reference materials

Hi all. At the moment I am concentrating on filling out the various Led Zeppelin concert tour pages. Long-term, I intend to bolster existing pages with reliable references, namely sourced from:

  • Dave Lewis (2003), Led Zeppelin: Celebration II: The 'Tight But Loose' Files, London: Omnibus Press. ISBN 1-84449-056-4.
  • Dave Lewis and Simon Pallett (1997) Led Zeppelin: The Concert File, London: Omnibus Press. ISBN 0-7119-5307-4.
  • Dave Lewis (2004) The Complete Guide to the Music of Led Zeppelin, London: Omnibus Press, ISBN 0-7119-3528-9.
  • Chris Welch (2002), Peter Grant: The Man Who Led Zeppelin, London: Omnibus Press. ISBN 0-7119-9195-2.
  • Q Magazine Special Led Zeppelin edition, 2003.

Regards Edelmand (talk) 03:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tagging and Assessing Article Quality

Editors, I'm going to start tagging all Led Zeppelin-related articles shortly for quality assessment. Should get the majority of it done by Christmas. MegX (talk) 04:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additional online resource materials on Led Zeppelin

The following site contains a listing of interviews with members of Led Zeppelin, with hyperlinks provided to the full interviews. This is a potential goldmine of information which could be incorporated into various Led Zeppelin wikipedia articles:

http://www.led-zeppelin.org/reference/index.php?m=interviews

Edelmand (talk) 05:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks Edelman. Have you read Led Zeppelin: The Press Reports by Robert Godwin? It has some useful review information that might come in handy for the individual tour articles. I've made a start on a comprehensive list of "Led Zeppelin in Literature". It's a massive project but thankfully there are a number of resources on the internet and the public libraries that can help out. MegX (talk) 04:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

No, I hadn't heard of that publication thanks MegX. I'll see if I can track down a copy. Edelmand (talk) 11:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Model ourselves on the Smashing Pumpkins WikiProject?

Hey everybody, I really think we should model ourselves on Wikipedia:WikiProject The Smashing Pumpkins. It has a really neat and simple interface, and everything we need would be at arm's reach on the main project page itself. Also, the number of different categories needn't include concert tours, bootlegs etc, just three would suffice Category:Led Zeppelin, Category:Led Zeppelin songs and Category:Led Zeppelin albums.

As of now our project page is really complex; I mean what is the infobox to the right meant for anyway? The infobox simply seems to complicate matters further. Also, I made a new article template which I think looks better than the old one. Indopug (talk) 16:18, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

This article is part of the Led Zeppelin WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Led Zeppelin. If you would like to participate please visit the project page. Any questions pertaining to Led Zeppelin-related articles should be directed to the project's talk page.
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  • Do we need to clone ourself from another band? Their project page looks exactly like the Led Zeppelin portal page at Portal:Led Zeppelin. If we did it like Smashing Pumpkins it would be merely duplicating the existing portal page layout. I'm all for including as much information as possible rather than excluding it. Also the navigation box is for Talk pages within the WikiProject only. I mention that on the template page. MegX (talk) 00:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Collaboration

Hoping new editors will join after the New Years so what should be our first collaboration project? MegX (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Led Zeppelin.... Indopug (talk) 08:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Okies... we need to work out who is doing what so we don't accidently delete each others work. Suggestions? MegX (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jason Bonham

I've noticed in all Zeppelin articles the I have seen, that Jason Bonham is always written as filling in on drums. I believe that he should at least be given credit as an artist in his own right and be "playing drums". Thoughts?TauntingElf (talk) 07:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I think "filling in" implies that he isn't a member of the band; which is true. indopug (talk) 09:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
That's like saying Ringo Starr is filling in for Pete Best. Bands move on. If the band is playing under the name "Led Zeppelin" with Jason Bonham. Jason Bonham is a member of the band. Ron Wood is considered a member of the Rolling Stones, and he wasn't there during their golden era. I don't see how it would be any different with Jason Bonham. MegX (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, now that Jason Bonham's role as drummer is cemented (hes played a few small gigs with the rest of the band in addition to the most recent show) and now with Zeppelin thinking about playing together a bit more regularly he should be given credit as a member of the band. I would really like to hear about his performance recently to hear if other members of the band feel he fills his father's shoes. If you read his wikipage Jason Bonham it shows statements by band members that he fulfills the role of drummer quite well.TauntingElf (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Unlike Ron Wood and Pete Best, Zep won't record any new material with Jason. He's part of the band as a touring drummer, and touring musicians aren't members of the band. Of course, I'll change my stance if Page actually says that he considers Jason a member of the band. indopug (talk) 07:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The main Zep page has this statement, with citation, "Page has suggested the band may start work on new material." which would lead me to believe that Bonham would also play drums in the studio. He has support of at least John Paul Jones (see Jason Bonham). I would like to know where "won't record any new material" came from. TauntingElf (talk) 06:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
If and when they record new material, and release it as Led Zeppelin, we'll add him :) By that bolded statement, I meant that on wikipedia, we generally call somebody a full member only when they record material. For example, Kurt Cobain announced that Pat Smear was a full member of Nirvana; however, since Cobain died, and Nirvana disbanded, before Nirvana record any new material with Smear, on Wikipedia he is not listed one of the main members. indopug (talk) 09:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
That logic works, I was just curious about that statement. So once we hear about them recording in the studio we can change it. That works for me.TauntingElf (talk) 18:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe closer than we think. Received a compilation email of news stories a few hours ago which suggest the imminent annoucement of a Europe and US tour by Led Zeppelin and a new studio album to coincide. Promoters have already confirmed two dates in the UK so far for 2008. Madison Square Gardens is the first US venue. I've been skeptical in the past of a full-blown Led Zeppelin tour happening, but it seems that it may finally happen. MegX (talk) 02:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
In all honesty, I hope they don't record a new album. I think of the Zep as 4 incredible musicians who made 8 perfect records. *Sigh* indopug (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)



[edit] The Old Man Carrying His Sticks

About this painting

- I think, it's too subjective, to say, Page liked the painting because it reminded him of his studies, something about hermetics. -

If you put the painting itself in context, its just a picture of an old bum

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Your assertions, are quite subjective

you give me the impression, that page thinks it's cool to eat people

that's the impression you give me, with your comments on the painting

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does Page eat people? I never heard or read that

- It's so loose of you, I just thought, you'd rather, emphasize their contributions to art, and, not frustrate things

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If opinions are allowed to stay on wiki. then, I would argue

Page has said, he was not present when the painting was bought.

so, no cannibalism was in mind, when it was purchased.

but, if you say, it was.. then you are implying that Plant, had Page in mind when he bought it?

is that fair to imply these things? no it's not. Marvelous marvin —Preceding comment was added at 00:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Um, what? indopug (talk) 03:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hard to follow, but page was a vegetarian. DangerTM (talk) 10:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)