Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Shinto

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[edit] Image

I just made a graphic of a Gohei....maybe you can use here it somehow. I dunno...whatcha think?

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[edit] Project template box

We need to come up with a Shinto box like the one above. Any ideas? --日本穣 Nihonjoe 06:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely! How about this one?
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There's also a new userbox: {{User Shinto}}

Enjoy! --日本穣 Nihonjoe 18:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Religious leaders

The current organization there is abit muddled, and needs some discussing how to deal with. A general proposal for cleaning it up is posted at Category talk:Religious leaders#Organization proposal, and more input would be great. It doesn't address the issue of Religious leaders/religious workers/religious figures, but that is another issue that exists. Badbilltucker 22:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Religion

The group indicated above was recently revitalized for, among other things, the purpose of working on those articles whose content is such that the article does not fall within the scope of any particular denomination. To most effectively do this, however, we would benefit greatly if there were at least one member from this Project working on those articles. On that basis, I would encourage and welcome any member of this Project willing to work on those articles to join the Religion WikiProject. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese Buddhism

It has come to my attention that Japanese Buddhism ties as directly to Shinto as it does to Buddhism in general. Would the members of this project object if the scope were expanded a bit to include articles relating to Japanese Buddhism as well, provided that the articles deal primarily with this specific form of Buddhism? The articles would still fall within the scope of the Buddhism project as well, but would probably benefit from getting the additional support from the Shinto editors, who probably know more about the Japanese elements than most members of the Buddhism project are likely to. I of course welcome any and all responses, positive or negative. Badbilltucker 21:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Task force?

I think this project might work better as a task force of WikiProject Japan. Anyone have any thoughts on that? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Creating a guideline that applies to all religous articles

Please discuss this in a discussion here--Sefringle 03:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New project proposal

There is a new WikiProject task force proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inter-religious content that is being proposed to deal specifically with articles whose content relates to several religious traditions. Any editors interested in joining such a group would be more than welcome to indicate their interest there. John Carter 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] shinto

How Do I say this name again????

[edit] Missing shinto-related topics

I have a list of missing topics related to religions, including a part that is related to shinto. I wonder if anyone of you could have a look at it. Than you. - Skysmith 09:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming of page

Sorry for not having responded earlier, but I do see the moving of the project page to being a subproject of Japan as being potentially problematic, for a few reasons. One, this page's main listing is more or less on the Religion wikiproject page, WP:PROJDIR/PR, and it does make it less likely that people would join the project as a religion project if they see that it is not seen primarily as a religion project, but as a task force of a national project. Seeing that, one might think that the group is not so much about "religion" as about a given country, and that might turn people off from joining. Also, it makes it apparent that the religion itself is not so much seen as religion per se, but rather as an aspect of a specific national culture, which would kinda turn off any individuals interested in the project who are not themselves Japanese or in Japan. Personally, I think it would probably best be listed under its old name, although I wouldn't have any objections whatever to seeing it included in "related project" on the WikiProject Japan sidebar. John Carter 14:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Japanese barely view it as a religion (the same goes for Buddhism), and it is a religion in which almost all adherents are Japanese (yes, there are non-Japanese who practice it, but they are very few in number). Shinto is an aspect of the Japanese national culture (a very large aspect), and if someone is turned off only because it's a taskforce instead of a project (semantics, really), then that doesn't really say much for them, does it? It will operate the same as before, but as a taskforce which will hopefully gain more attention than it did as a separate project. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories related to kami

The category "Japanese deities" includes a few articles that I think should be in one of the subcategories.

Do we have a policy on the inclusion of articles in "Shinto kami"? Hachiman is there but Ebisu isn't, in spite of Nishinomiya Shrine being "the head shrine of Ebisu sect of Shinto, under which it is said that there are about 3500 shrines". Also, Ebisu is now at Ebisu (mythology), but I would be more comfortable with (Shinto) or (deity) or some other such tag. Whogue 10:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hoax

Soku-no-Kumi may be a hoax, or some character in a game or a novel. See Talk:Soku-no-Kumi. Thank you. --miya (talk) 06:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On Japanese Religion

The opinion has been expressed that the sources on the religion section of the overall/general Japan article are not credible enough, not reliable/verifiable enough. If better sources are not found ASAP, drastic changes will be made to that section, removing discussion of the fact that while the vast majority of Japanese are officially counted by Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples both as belonging to those institutions, most Japanese when asked directly will claim to not be religious. This is a crucial aspect of religion in modern Japan.

Can anyone please please please help!? Surely someone out there must be a Religions of Japan scholar, with proper serious professional academic sources? LordAmeth (talk) 13:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a question...why is it that when an article is about Christianity, Islam or Judhaism it is religion but if it mentions Buddhist, Shinto, Hindu deities is is called mythology?Miyashita (talk) 19:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It would help a lot if you indicated specifically which articles you're talking about. Generally, I think the arrangement as such is that, for instance, an article about Noah's Ark is considered a "biblical" article, and thus falls under the Bible, Christianity, Judaism, or other projects and banners. They are generally thought by some to be "mythological" but the categorization people for the mythology project are probably overworked in a big way and may not have gotten around to changing those specific content yet.
For what it's worth, most of the stories about Jehovah and Jesus and the like which aren't to some degree or another supported by some sort of independent historical evidence could be called "mythological" as well. My guess, and it's just a guess, is that, when the English wikipedia was first being set up, it was set up, rightly or wrongly, to reflect prevailing Western opinion. In that way, Eastern stories are "myths", Judeo-Christian stories are considered "religious", because in some cases there may be some independent historical evidence to support them, and well, Westerners have biases too, however much we might try to keep them from appearing. A lot of categorization and changing of content still has to be changed. Also, I think you should note that, as per the Wikipedia:WikiProject Mythology page, the word "myth" as it is being used is not intended as derogatory.
Adam and Eve and some of the other stories are I think being called "myths" now as well. But the stories which seem to have some degree of object, tangible support for their having taken place as described, or which describe a religious entity outside of a "mythic" story, don't qualify as "mythology", and are still called "religious". There is some effort and interest to standardize things, but with 2000000+ articles out there, it is going to take a very long time to get things standardized across the board.John Carter (talk) 19:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shinto Shrine Infobox

I've been trying to create and expand some pages on Shinto shrines lately, and I was surprised to find out that there is no info box for these pages. Something like Template:Infobox Buddhist temple. Proposed attributes would be:

  • name
  • img
  • img_size
  • img_capt
  • shrine category - such as imperial shrine, inari shrine, local shrine, etc.
  • dedication - applicable if the shrine is dedicated to a specific kami
  • founded
  • closed
  • founder
  • address
  • country
  • phone
  • website

List may not be perfect, suggestions welcome. These are the important basics, however. I'm really new at this, so I'm not really sure how infoboxes come to be, but I think if Buddhist Temples have a box, Shrines would benefit from them as well. Anyone that can help me out with this? Torsodog (talk) 01:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not all that good with coding, but I'll give it a try. I was actually just the other day thinking, surely there's a Shinto shrine infobox around here somewhere... LordAmeth (talk) 08:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I copied the code of the Buddhist temple infobox and made a Shinto shrine box from that - see Template:Infobox Shinto shrine. There may be some more attributes which could be added or taken away; the "shrine category" notion sounds nice when it comes to Imperial Shrines, and a very few limited other options, but for the vast majority of shrines I think this will simply be redundant with the enshrined kami, e.g. Inari shrine, Tenjin shrine, Hachiman shrine. Also, I chose vermillion for the color scheme as I think it more or less matches the color used on torii and on Shinto buildings more generally. But if people don't like it we can change it. Of course, any other changes people think are good, please go ahead and do it. LordAmeth (talk) 09:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much! This infobox, in my opinion, was really very necessary, and you really helped me and the rest of the community a lot by making it. Thanks again! Torsodog (talk) 21:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Expand {{Infobox church/sandbox}} to cover all places of worship?

There is a proposal to convert the draft infobox template {{Infobox church/sandbox}} into a template that can be used for all places of worship. We would like your views on whether you think this is a good idea, and if you are able to help identify parameters that would be relevant to the religion that your WikiProject deals with. Do join the discussion taking place at "Template talk:Infobox church". — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 03:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Totoro and Shinto elements discussion

Anyone interested is encouraged to come participate in this discussion. Thank you. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ōgamiyama Jinja

I found this topic Ōgamiyama Jinja while editing articles for Daisen. I have done an English edit, but maybe someone here can take a look.