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College Football Hall of Fame Heads Up

The new inductees were announced today. Check this article for info: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7DNF1BFb3081Rj_6EnfU7pT8Z6gD90CV3A80 Seancp (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject College football May 2008 Newsletter

The College football WikiProject Newsletter
Issue VI - May 2008
Project news
From JKBrooks85

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A bit of help please

I'm working on a page for Gwinn Henry, a football coach from wayback... I'm finding that this guy coached at least at five schools! I have information on some but not all... specifically, Howard Payne University. Anyone got any information to chip in on this page?--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Just looked through a few of my reliable sources -- reliable except for this, it appears. Sorry. JKBrooks85 (talk) 03:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
On second thought, you might try the college football bibliography (http://www.amazon.com/College-Football-Bibliography-Bibliographies-Indexes/dp/0313290261/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210846808&sr=8-16) at your local library. There's an off chance that it might be able to direct you to a source that has the information you need. I know that book has helped me out immensely. Just wish I could afford a copy of my own. I'd also suggest contacting the schools directly to see if they have any self-published histories that you could cite. JKBrooks85 (talk) 10:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Mainpage cleanup

I think the mainpage is in need of cleanup. This is what I think needs to happen:

  • Structure - needs to be expanded with template help, single game structure, among other things.
  • Other subpages - should move to structure.
  • Lists - semi thrown together. Needs something else to it.
  • New College football articles - This list it getting too long. I believe their should be a week or month limit on the showcasing of new articles.
  • College football articles needing help - needs general cleanup.
  • Notable football schools that do not have separate athletics pages and Notable schools with athletics pages, but no football page - needs updating and expansion.

I would like other peoples opinions since this is a collaboration page. Thanks, PGPirate 18:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

FL help

Following the excellent work that CrdHwk began with Iowa Hawkeyes football seasons, I started working on Appalachian State Mountaineers football seasons last December. I recently nominated it as a featured list candidate, but I need some help getting it passed and working through the recommendations that The Rambling Man has suggested. I've pretty much followed the conventions that the Iowa and East Carolina Pirates football seasons have used, but he's bending me over with his lengthy list of suggestions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm on the verge of shrugging my shoulders and delisting the page. Geologik (talk) 17:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The review for this list has been extended. I've gotten a couple supports so far, and I'd ask if anyone has the time to please take a look. Edit, make suggestions, oppose, support, etc. - provide some input. Thanks! Geologik (talk) 21:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

HELP! Emergency Action Required!

User User:Stifle has been deleting head coach pages without providing an opportunity for discussion. In a matter of a few minutes, the user wiped out all work I had completed on coaches for Prairie View A&M University, including coach Ronald Beard, the worst performing coach in NCAA history (4 years as a head coach without a single victory).--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

All Project Members: please go to the deletion discussion and comment (here's how). I recommend Overturn (undelete) and give reasons as you see fit.

Sample reasons: please make up your own, too!

  • Article has sufficient sourcing already to prove notability
  • Notable coach
  • Division I FBS School head coaches are notable
  • Reliable sources cited
  • Similar to discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Gottsch with consensus Keep
  • Useful for peer-to-peer review of coaching histories
  • WP:CFB has already defined collegiate football coaches as notable by default
  • There are hundreds of other college football head coach articles on Wikipedia-to delete these in particular is irrational
  • Prairie View A&M University is notable infamously because of its historically poor record

The admin speedy-deleted 22 articles in 6 minutes.

These are just some samples, please enter your own words! And also, please enter on each coach that you can. Specifically, Ronald Beard had a record of 0-44 in 4 years to post the worst lifetime record as a head coach, and the school has the longest losing streak in college football.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Take all of them to WP:DRV then, looks on the surface like a gaffe on stifle's part. Wizardman 21:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC) (Nevermind, you already did. it'll e taken care of then)
  • I'm deeply unimpressed by the vote-stacking, folks. Stifle (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm deeply unimpressed by your utterly unprofessional use of administrator status. Seancp (talk) 21:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I spent 15 minutes toying around with a response - yours definitely works. ;) Geologik (talk) 22:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry you have a problem that we discuss editing and project matters as a group to build consensus and work together to make Wikipedia a better place.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I left a message on here just a minute ago. Olease check the revision history of this page and read, it's very vital! #1 Metallica Fan Your Hancock 21:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
The discussion appears to have been closed by Stifle? What's the next step to get this decision reversed? JKBrooks85 (talk) 22:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

What's next Now the admin (he?) is doing individual AFDs for each article. We have to go to each article page and insert comments on the pages as he makes them. Fortunately, we can wait just a bit because it will take him some time. And also fortunately, there's a cool NAVBOX at the bottom of each coach's page so we can enter our comments that way.

All the admin is really doing is creating a lot more work for an issue that could have been easily resolved.

I believe that the administrator is being totally unreasonable, and several others have made similar comments. I will be researching on how to get assistance from a different administrator on this matter and will keep you posted.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Please do. This admin needs to have his priveledges revoked. It's just absolutely ridiculous what he's doing. Isn't there an "incident reporting" place? Can he be reported to that? Seancp (talk) 22:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Hey Paul - One of the coaches William J. Nicks is in the College Football Hall of Fame. That should be notable enough to keep him from being deleted. I've been searching for a media guide and digging around on the SWAC page as well looking for information. I read his replies to you on his talk page, and he is one smug dude. And to top it off he admits to not even following college football. As Sean suggested, I think there is a page somewhere where you can report administrators. He's definitely being heavy-handed. Geologik (talk) 22:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Yup, it's Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. I'm giving it to you because I have every confidence that nothing will come out of this. Unfortunately you're quite wrong in saying that I am being totally unreasonable and need to have my privileges revoked. I reversed the speedy deletion after the review, and that's it as far as administrative actions have gone. Nothing else is a use of my administrative rights, just normal editorial actions. I've bundled the articles into just five AFD nominations, and they're listed on today's page at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you can show me a couple of media references for any of these guys which comply with the reliable sources requirements and tell me how they're notable, I'll gladly withdraw that deletion request. I'm just about to head off for the night (I'm on the far side of the Atlantic to most of you folks, I suspect) so I wish you all a good evening :) Stifle (talk) 23:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Just withdrew the AFD for the guy who's in the Hall of Fame as he is obviously notable enough. Goodnight! Stifle (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

As an admin myself, I encourage nobody to bother bringing this up at WP:ANI, as like Stifle says, nothing will come out of it. The initial deletions were done improperly, but that's already been reversed at DRV, and AfDing them is entirely appropriate if he thinks they should be deleted in good faith. If you want to voice your opinion, you can do so at the AfDs, this doesn't really need to go to ANI. VegaDark (talk) 23:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Can't do it. I believe he has been totally out of line on many levels, and not just for the speedy deletion but for activity with people on this project and others. Just look at his talk pages. If anyone agrees with me, they can go to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Stifle and post a comment. I believe that at least two people need to complain for anything to come of it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Paul, can you instead come up with some other sources? I think defending these articles from deletion should come first. JKBrooks85 (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Been working on that, too! Check out several of the articles!--Paul McDonald (talk) 06:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I did see that. Good work! Hopefully that'll be enough to save them. You're really on the ball with this. JKBrooks85 (talk) 07:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)