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[edit] Requesting input on the "History of Manchuria (Northeast China) and Russian Far East" template

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:History_of_Manchuria

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:History_of_Manchuria

Apparently, there has been a longstanding dispute on this matter and there were several referrals to the template page on a few articles on Northeast China.

The use of "Manchuria" has never been recorded in primary Qing-era historical documents and the use of this term in modern media has subsided considerably (if not completely) over the years, with "Northeast China" (a term dating back to the Qing Dynasty) taking precedence. If anyone can take a look at the developments on the template discussion page, please feel free to do so. Laoganma (talk) 00:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I am opposed to messing with it. The entire {{History of Manchuria}} template was created as a compromise, and messing with it will upset the compromise. It's not ideal, for sure, but I think it prevents more problems than it creates. --Nlu (talk) 05:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Luzon Empire

Can you help us here. It seems to say that there was a Chinese empire in the Philippines but some editors question the verifiability of the article. Perhaps you can help us in the Chinese sources that were provided in the article. Please drop by in our discussion here --Lenticel (talk) 22:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translation needed

I am trying to improve upon the section of Zhou Tong (archer) that describes his fictional youth (as portrayed in a comic book). I was recently shown a Chinese page that does a much better job of summarizing his young life than what I currently have. Could someone please translate the following for me?

周侗，陕西人，少年习武，后拜少林派武师谭正芳为师，得少林武术真传，且文武全才。成年后得到当时地位显赫的包拯赏识，进入军中为军官，后担任京师御拳馆教师。御拳馆有天地人三席，周侗为“天”字教师，地位最尊，和朝中名将宗泽交好，谭正芳最小的徒弟，后来梁山好汉病尉迟孙立就是得周侗引荐给宗泽，担任了登州兵马都监。他还有一个师弟，就是祝家庄的武术教师栾廷玉，后来孙立就是利用了这层关系打入祝家庄内部。因为在朝政上主张抗辽抗金，周侗政治上不得意，因此专心武学，确立了官派正规武术的若干套路，如五步十三枪戳脚，发展自少林的翻子拳，以及周侗棍等。他悉心传授武功，在御拳馆期间正式收徒二人，一个是玉麒麟卢俊义，一个是豹子头林冲，卢俊义广有田产，不作官，林冲则继承了周侗的地位，继续担任宋军中的八十万禁军教头。

期间周侗还有一个记名徒弟，就是武松。武松打虎后，县令孙国卿为了巴结权贵，派武松送虎骨膏到京师给高官，武松滞留京师，结识周侗。周认为武松力大，但是拳术上缺少修为，因此加以指点，可惜二人交往时间太短，仅两个月武松就拜别周侗回乡，此后再未得相见。武松在拳术武术上的不足，在此后多次暴露，比如斗杀西门庆，拳打蒋门神，都曾经吃过亏。但是他跟随周侗入御拳馆游历，大长见识，因此西门庆在狮子楼摆出金猫捕鼠的凶险步子，武松虽然不知破法，却识得厉害。同时，周侗传授武松的鸳鸯腿，也是武松的杀手锏。这一手奇特的武功被武松传授给了好友金眼彪施恩，也成了施恩的看家功夫。周侗年老后辞官，在刘光世幕府做过一段幕宾，刘光世军驻河南，因此得以在汤阴县收岳飞为徒。传说岳飞受周侗翻子拳真传，并加以发展，开创鹰爪翻子门。

I know what it basically says, but I have a feeling that someone here could do a much better job of producing a smooth flowing English equivalent. It would help if the translator has a knowledge of martial arts terms. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 12:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, some people at Reference desk/language did it for me. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 11:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wu Zetian

I've expanded Wu Zetian and requested a peer review of it. Any review by project members and further refining/expansion would be appreciated. --Nlu (talk) 11:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

It looks a bit odd with the table of contents on the right and that huge picture. I would prefer the usual Wikipedia layout.--Danaman5 (talk) 02:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] dubious material at Chinese mythology

User:ACHKC, who previously contributed deleted articles Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Understanding Heaven and Hell and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Feast of Immortal Peaches, is again contributing novel content to Chinese mythology. This is a diff comparing the outcome of the latest round of editing. However, there are some anon edits mixed in, so it may not be appropriate to revert all. Does anyone have the time to look through the changes and remove that which is idiosyncratic? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 08:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chan Tai San

Should have put this up here earlier. Could you look a the surroundings discussions here and here--Nate1481(t/c) 18:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1990 People's Republic of China airliner collision / Xiamen Airlines Flight 8301

Hello. I found out about the 1990 People's Republic of China airliner collision but I need help building the article since all I could find in English so far was a bunch of New York Times articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I found some pay articles about the disaster, but I cannot see all of them since they are for subscribers: http://news.google.com/archivesearch/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=0-0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.newsbank.com%2Fg%2FGooglePM%2FMH%2Flib00246%2C0EB341CEDAA63190.html&ei=CUK_R9SpFp7y6AH0v6DHAg&usg=AFQjCNFP4zg5_E5OrLwK5bLIHGbspG6EPw - 37 FOREIGNERS AMONG 127 KILLED IN CRASH OF HIJACKED CHINESE JET $2.95 - Miami Herald - NewsBank - Oct 4, 1990

and

http://news.google.com/archivesearch/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1-0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.newsbank.com%2Fg%2FGooglePM%2FMH%2Flib00246%2C0EB341CEE9B4C67C.html&ei=CUK_R9SpFp7y6AH0v6DHAg&usg=AFQjCNGu-ZGBWTojX9XEFCNr4ldnpuV7LA CHINA 37 FOREIGNERS AMONG 127 KILLED IN CRASH $2.95 - Miami Herald - NewsBank - Oct 4, 1990

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

And another: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=NewsLibrary&p_multi=DSNB&d_place=DSNB&p_theme=newslibrary2&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F35FE300F48295A&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM "1. Deseret News, The (Salt Lake City, UT) - October 4, 1990

CHINA CLAMPS LID ON GIVING DETAILS OF PLANE DISASTER More than two days after China's worst air disaster in a decade, officials refused to release details about the injured and said families of the dead would receive maximum compensation of $4,250.Foreign diplomats criticized the secrecy about the crash, describing as highly irregular the fact that no details on 53 injured people had emerged by Thursday evening. Officials said 127 people were killed when a hijacked Boeing 737 exploded and crashed into two parked planes Tuesday at..." WhisperToMe (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] what/where?

what is the criteria for placing articles in the Category:China versus Category:People's Republic of China or versusCategory:Republic of China or Category:Taiwan for that matter. The categories do not give provide this information. Hmains (talk) 01:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article History of Xinjiang

Some sweeping changes have been suggested to the content of the History of Xinjiang. Please see Talk:History_of_Xinjiang#Sweeping_changes. An editor has proposed replacing it with the History of Xinjiang/Sandbox. You feedback would be appreciated. Mkdwtalk 10:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Debate over inclusion of Chinese names for articles about overseas Chinese

See Wikipedia talk:Manual_of_Style_(use_of_Chinese_language)#Relevance to articles. Badagnani (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant POV sections on Debate on traditional and simplified Chinese characters

The sub-sections are really ridiculous:

Debate on traditional and simplified Chinese characters

Can somebody here merge them? ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 22:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems okay. Badagnani (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It's full of OR. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 22:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)