Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British Columbia/Archive/Archive Sep 2007

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Contents 1 Merge required for Nisga'a park 2 Another merge required 3 BCGNIS capabilities added 4 Category:British Columbia public domain photographs 5 Help with Bountiful, British Columbia and the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints 6 Kamloops, British Columbia -> Kamloops proposed move 7 "Salish Sea" -> Puget Sound/Strait of Georgia merger

[edit] Merge required for Nisga'a park

We have two articles about the same park. One using the English name Nisga'a Memorial Lava Beds Provincial Park, the other using the Nisga'a name Anhluut'ukwsim Laxmihl Angwinga'asanskwhI Nisga'a Provincial Park. Obviously, we only need one article. Any thoughts on which naming convention should be followed for the article and which should be redirected. Please discuss on Talk:Nisga'a Memorial Lava Beds Provincial Park... Canuckle 02:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another merge required

While we're on the topic of Northern British Columbia and merging... Russian American Telegraph and Western Union Telegraph Expedition are also being suggested as a merge. Collins Overland Telegraph Company? Route? should probably redirect to whatever comes out of that merge. Important part of our Northern history and the RAT article has really good information, but no sources or sections or anything like that. I've had them on my watchlist for a while but no one's been looking at them.CindyBo^talk 06:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BCGNIS capabilities added

Hi, I'm just letting people know that I made a {{BCGNIS}} template that is good for linking references to geographic information contained in the BC Geographical Names Information System. I've only used this template once, in Vaseux Lake for a reference. Please use it! (FYI: the BCGNIS is a valuble source of information for any place in BC! Sometimes really good information too!) +mwtoews 20:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I came across this in the Archive and brought it back here as I have a question. I have been working on Princess Louisa Inlet. There are BCGNIS entries for the Inlet, the Park and Chatterbox Falls. I added a template reference to each of these but when they appear in the footnote, all of them refer use the article name as the link. I gather that the template use the article name for the link it displays. I don't know how templates like this work, but is it possible to add a parm that allows another name to be given rather than the name of the article?--KenWalker | Talk 17:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you can add whatver name you want using this template{{BCGNIS|id|name}}.CindyBo^talk 20:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I've included your question as an example in {{BCGNIS}}. Feel free to edit any of the template documentation that doesn't make sense. +mt 00:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, handy template.--KenWalker | Talk 00:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:British Columbia public domain photographs

Hi, me again. I was thinking of making a subcategory Category:British Columbia public domain photographs, because the Category:Canadian public domain photographs is getting huge and it's starting to be a pain to search through it for "our" pictures. Any thoughts?CindyBo^talk 04:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

An interesting browse, certainly moving the BC photos into a sub category would make sense. --KenWalker | Talk 06:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Out of the first 400, exactly 100 were BC's. As an extra added bonus, I found these untagged BC biographies George Ritchie Maxwell and George Mercer Dawson, for whom Dawson Creek is named for according to the article.CindyBo^talk 11:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It's mad lame that the BC Archives keeps copyright over their historical images... because I have an archives pass, and spend like 5 days a week working next door. --Haemo 17:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

They don't have copyright on the images taken before 1949. I've uploaded lots of BC Archives photos (as I'm being reminded today as I'm categorizing them). I'd say go ahead and upload them as required, just crop off their lettering on the borders. PD Canada is used for anything before 1949 with the {{PD-Canada}} tag. See conversations here and here and this government website here too, which states very clearly "All photographs taken on or before Jan. 1, 1949 that are not Crown works are in the public domain and may be freely copied. Photographs taken after that date are copyrighted for the life of the author plus 50 years". And there are dozens of other Canadian govt websites that say the same thing. However, these pictures may not be able to be uploaded to Commons as they have to be Public Domain in the US as well, and that seems to have more to do with publication dates than creation dates.CindyBo^talk 21:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

These site here at the United Church Archives in Victoria University have a chart that summarizes everything very nicely.CindyBo^talk 22:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Coolio; but for instance, a lot of their image (like this one available online have copyright notices attached. I'm not really sure why. --Haemo 00:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

As long as it'd dated before 1949, it's PD, whether they admit it or not. They have to abide by the same laws as Canada Archives, only Canada Archives admits when a copyright is expired and BC Archives doesn't. With that one you got there, it's harder because it's not dated in its info page here, and it's not really a photo... so you'd have to figure out its history. Otherwise as long as its a pre 1949 photo, you should be good to upload it. Just put in all the information such as the date taken and the photographer too, as well as putting the PD Canada tag.CindyBo^talk 02:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

As an example, see Image:Moyie.gif, it links right to the source and is dated 1898.CindyBo^talk 03:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Bountiful, British Columbia and the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

I've been keeping my eye on the article Bountiful, British Columbia, the location of the Canadian branch of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints polygamist sect based in Utah, Arizona, Texas, etc. As some may know, there has been recent controversy over a) the apprehension in the US of US branch leader Warren Jeffs, and b) the Canadian justice investigation of the BC branch over the possibility of criminal charges arising from their marriage practices.

I've long felt that the Bountiful article is too heavy on information about the FLDS (especially with the weak representation of general information on the town), and I have just noticed that the article on the FLDS has very little on the BC branch. I feel a bit timid tackling it all alone, but I think this would be a perfect time to a) flesh out the general civic, geographic, historic etc information about the town of Bountiful, b) condense and re-write the section on the FLDS (particularly making it more Canada-centric), and c) expand the FLDS article to include a dedicated section on the Church's BC activities. It's particularly important because, if the Feds move on indictments, the related WP articles will become popular destinations for readers and the press. I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place (I've asked on the Canadian WP noticeboard as well), but if there's a way to place this topic (spanning at least two articles) as a priority for cleanup/expansion that would be great. Any help is welcome. Anchoress 10:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

While it does seem heavy on the FLDS, so far I can't find anything else about it. It isn't listed anywhere where a researcher would go to find out any additional non-FLDS facts on it. It's not on this list here from Stats Canada. There's zero results with British Columbia.com here and BCGNIS doesn't consider it an official settlement here. I can put a settlement infobox on the article, which will spruce it up, but... after that I wouldn't know what to do with it. Important article though. Because of its location, there might be some associated silver or galena mining history and there's definitely got to be some First Nation's history. Nevertheless, even if some more local history is added and more information on the general area, I would think that its always going to be heavy on information on the FLDS and whatever legal/moral/religious issues they have going on. If you google it, that's all you seem to get.CindyBo^talk 18:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I saw your comments on the talkpage of Bountiful, and I concur that there may have been some points of confusion between Bountiful and Lister. I'll reply more in depth on the talkpage, and thanks to all who have already stepped in to improve the article in whatever manner is possible. Anchoress 21:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kamloops, British Columbia -> Kamloops proposed move

Pls see my comments on Talk:Kamloops, British Columbia. NB esp. Ken Walker, Cindy Bo, MacLean25. Seem to be more format-happy non-BCers rearranging our geography/articles for us IMO.....no, I'm not back, but I do have net access for the next few days courtesy of my host in Winlaw, which I'm leaving next week, Montreal-Halifax bound, guitar strapped on, as of next week (finally).Skookum1 08:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Salish Sea" -> Puget Sound/Strait of Georgia merger

Hi. Someone just left a query about this merge, as I'd put a merge tag on Salish Sea quite a while ago and haven't followed up on it; please see my notes at Merge Salish Sea and Strait of Georgia on my talk page. I'm on the road and will be off the net again by the end of the weekend but input from WPWashington and WPBC members would be appreciated to resolve this. This notice has also been posted on Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington.Skookum1 03:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)