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[edit] Amanda & Sam

Assuming that Amanda & Sam Marchant's single charts this weekend (yes I know assumptions are dangerous), they would qualify for their own article under WP:MUSIC. I suggest if this is the case that the article be created from the content of List of Big Brother 2007 housemates (UK)#Amanda and Sam with that section thinned out just to include Big Brother related information, and basic Big Brother information included in their own article. Redirects and disambiguation pages will have to be changed to match. John Hayestalk 13:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

What should the article be called? I think either Sam and Amanda Marchant or Amanda and Sam Marchant would work. Going purely by Google searching, "Sam and Amanda" is used slightly more often, although throughout Big Brother they were referred to mostly as "Amanda and Sam". I think therefore, the latter might be better, although with redirects being used and with the two name orders being used interchangeably, it is unlikely to make much difference. Tra (Talk) 22:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The article name should reflect what ever name the single is released under, I think. — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 22:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it appears it didn't chart, so looks like no article then. John Hayestalk 15:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Because it's only out this week. D'oh. John Hayestalk 15:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Well it charted at 26th. As the single seems to have been sold as Samanda we should probably use that. John Hayestalk 09:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I didn't expect them to use "Samanda" to release the single. Perhaps we should write the article more like how The Cheeky Girls is written. — AnemoneProjectors (会話) 17:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seperate color for Head of Household

Since there are at least two versions now with their own HoH (America; Head of Household) (Africa; Head of House) and the people editing Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2 have added in the article that there is supposed to be a Head of Household in that season shouldn't it have a seperate color seperate from Exempt? I think it does once there are two or more versions having a Head of Household. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I've had a look, and articles currently use #FBF373 in the nominations tables for both exempt and Head of Household. In the infobox, however, the colour #F8FB9E is used for Head of Household. It would be nice to have separate colours but it's important not to have too many colous as this may make the table too complex. Tra (Talk) 19:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, the HOH color looks similar to the forced eviction one. As I've been notified, I should post here if I wanted to change the color. --Howard the Duck 04:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Colors

From what I have read there are some issues with the Infobox colors (again). User:Howard the Duck says that the Head of Household and Ejected/Expelled colors look similar. (See discussion on Piony Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2 and the one above.) The current colors are:
     - Winner (Endgame Only)
     - Nominated (Housemates)/Runner-Up (Endgame)
     - Head of Household* (Housemates Only)
     - Evicted/Re-Evicted
     - Walked
     - Ejected/Expelled
     - Extra Color 1 (three)
     - Extra Color 2 (five)

If anyone has any suggestions on possible color changes since the template is made to be used with any version of Big Brother regardless of format please reply here. Note the color used for Evicted in the Infoboxes is a lighter shade of the color used in the Nominations/Voting Table because the darker color is hard to read when the links are linked. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Its fine the way it is. - Rjd0060 15:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh and the color for Head of Household in the Infobox is a lighter shade that is used lighter shade of the color used in the Nominations/Voting Table. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Switch extra-color 3 and HOH colors. --Howard the Duck 14:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good but before I make the switch I will be waiting for more discussion on the matter as this also affects all Nominations/Voting History tables with an HoH. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 20:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
If anyone doesn't want to fix the "collateral damages" I can do it myself. I fixed up {{NBA seasons}} (that's 60+ articles) without even going to the NBA WikiProject, dunno why I can't do that here. --Howard the Duck 10:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I will make the changes, but Howard the Duck, be aware that this could be disputed by other members when the change is made. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
How can this be disputed, it's a simple switch of colors, it's not I'm doing a mass-removal of content... really, this Wikiproject is weird. --Howard the Duck 03:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
It's switched lets not worry about it unless someone does bring up a dispute. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 19:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Since this hasn't brought any other comments here are the official Infobox colors.

     - Winner (Endgame Only)
     - Nominated (Housemates)/Runner-Up (Endgame)
     - Head of Household* (Housemates Only)
     - Evicted/Re-Evicted
     - Walked
     - Ejected/Expelled
     - Extra Color 1 (three)
     - Extra Color 2 (five) ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm... idk, I'm cool with the mint green being the HoH, but I think it looks a little weird on the BB8 endgame box because the mint green symbolized Eric "winning" $40,000 a little better. Also, I have to say that the the yellow color looks way to close to the orange color for expelled. Any thoughts? T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 07:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
My original thought was to take and use the color that we use for the winner and use it for the HoH as well since that color is only used in the Endgame box and HoH is only used in the Housemates box. But then I thought that would cause confusion in American articles where we use that green and blue color for winners and runner-ups in the Voting Table. But we could always do what the UK articles do and use the exempt color for the last box of the finalists.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Brother Sidbar Changes

I have a new, much cleaner way to organize the sidebars. Since the UK version has a pretty good number of both shows and presenters and with the way the sidebar is now we need a change. If everybody likes the changes then we can apply it to other versions that use the sidebar like Big Brother Australia and Big Brother (US) (even though the US doesn't need a change at the time.) The changes are seperate the presenters and shows. Have a seperate drop down for the presenters that lists the current and past presenters and their time associated with that Big Brother. Then have the Shows drop down and have a list of "Editions" that the edition has (like Celebrity, All-Stars, Panto, Main edition, etc.) Then have an "Current Companion Shows" section then a former shows section all under the "Shows" drop down thing. Then leave the previous series/seasons alone as they are fine. If you want to see what the UK sidebar would look like under this new setup then check out my sandbox]. This is a lot cleaner I think and new visitors can read it easier. If people want to know who presents what show let them click on the link to that show and read its article.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Hold off on the US one, but the UK definitely needs a change and I like the one you've created! Much, much better. Good work. Rjd0060 (talk) 06:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and applied the changes to the UK sidebar, if this style is good with everyone I will apply it to other sidebars as well (except for the US it is fine). ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 07:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Since I changed the UK sidebar to have the changes I changed the Sandbox examples to show what each editions sidebar would look like. Currently I have the Australian and American sidebars in my Sandbox with the changes.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 10:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I like it. Good idea. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 20:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Status for a Housemate who becomes a Houseguest...

I've updated Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2 to include Ethel Booba's re-entry tot the House, but not as a housemate, but as a houseguest. I've added "Houseguest" in the infobox beside her name but didn't change her status because she's still technically out-of-house. I've also added an asterisk beside her name in the nomination table because of the very same reason: she's now just a houseguest. But this can be touchy. How can we address this? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I have one quick question, what is the difference between housemates and houseguests in your Big Brother? Because in mine the contestants are automatically called houseguests. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Ignore my question, ok what I can think of is with Ethel you don't need (as Housemate) under her name. Just put a note in the table the week she returned as a houseguest like "Ethel returned to the House on Day 59 but as a houseguest." Then have in the Infobox take and use the color you use for "Automatically nominated by HoH" and use that for housemates turned houseguests. Because really you don't need that and housemates going houseguests is more predominate.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
But what will be do to her original status (voluntary exit)? To me, , despite her being in the house right now, her original position will stay (6th to leave the house, together with Mcoy), but with the new color. But I will modify the nomination table, though. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Have it say something like "Left House then returned as a Houseguest" or something similar that way if PBBCE2 brings back an evicted housemate as a houseguest your covered for both (in case that happens as you know with Big Brother expect the unexpected lol). ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Serious revamp for Big Brother (TV series)

I think the main article for the show could use a rewrite or cleanup to comply with Wikipedia standards. The article is currently approaching 80Kb and needs to be trimmed down or some sections split. I will use the "Variations in Format" section as an example. It currently lists like a trivia section.

Here actual variations in the format:

  • There are six special pan-regional versions of Big Brother. All these follow the normal Big Brother rules with the exception that contestants come from different countries in the region where it airs:
  • In France and Canada, the format has been developed using couples. Twelve single people stay in the same house until only the winning couple are left.
  • Big Brother USA currently uses a different set of rules that began with the second season (the first season used the traditional format). Nominations are done by one houseguest, the Head of Household (HoH) and the houseguests vote for which nominee to evict, not the viewers. The third season introduced the Power of Veto, where a houseguest can save a nominee causing the Head of Household to name a replacement nominee. It's been adapted in Brazil and Africa and since then some countries modified their nominations rules.
  • In 2004, the fifth German edition was the first version to run for 365 days consecutively. In this season, the contestants were separated into three teams (rich, regular, survivor) and equivalent living areas. The ultimate winner got a prize of 1,000,000 €.
  • Also in Germany a new version of the show started: Big Brother - Das Dorf (Big Brother - The Village). It was the sixth season and started the same day season 5 ended. This was the first version supposed to run for years (without a predetermined end). It was set in a small artificial village including a church tower, a marketplace, 3 houses, 3 working areas (farm, car garage, dressmaking and later a small hotel, where celebrities from the real world could move into), a matcharena, a pub and a fitness room. The season ended after 363 days in February 2006 because of low ratings. In season seven RTL II switched back to a traditional version.


These are just season/series twists that really doesn't place much affect on the general format used by each country:

  • In the third UK series, Big Brother set live tasks for the housemate on a Saturday night in order to win treats. This format was discontinued in the fifth series due to poor ratings. This format has been used in Australia in the form of Friday Night Live.
  • The fifth UK edition introduced the "Evil" touch, whereby the character of Big Brother became almost a villain. Big Brother was establishing punishments and was proposing hard tasks and secret tricks. This was also seen in Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Finland, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Pacific, Scandinavia, Serbia, Spain, Thailand, Philippines, and Mexico.
  • The sixth UK series introduced secret missions where housemate would be able to win luxuries if they completed a secret task set by Big Brother.
  • In the seventh UK series, Big Brother became "twisted". Every week, housemates mental states were put to the test as Big Brother tried to break them. As a result of this many housemates broke down and one even threaten to commit suicide.
  • The eighth UK Series saw an all-female house however 3 days later 1 male housemate entered
  • The UK series alway opens with a twist which have included First Night Nominations (BB4), Transexual enters & Suit Case Nominations (BB5), Unlucky Housemate 13 (BB6), Big Brother Hood & Person suffering From Tourette (BB7), All Female House & Twins enter (BB8), Jackie Stallone is Announced to be Entering (CBB3), Non Celebrity Enters (CBB4) and Jade Goody and Family are Announced to be Entering (CBB5). Many countries have followed opening night twists such as Australia and the United States.
  • The fifth UK edition introduced "Fake evictions" where 1 or 2 housemates are "Evicted" however unbeknown to the housemates they have in fact not been evicted. the housemate/s usually are put into a secret house where numerous twist happen. in the eighth UK Series one housemate was evicted, interview then sent straight back into the house however the housemates in the house got to see all of the interview live.
  • The eighth American season, introduced "America's Player", a houseguest that is given assignments, unknown to the other houseguests, through votes from the viewing public. Included in the public voting is which nominated houseguest America's Player should vote off and campaign to get evicted.
  • The third Dutch edition introduced the notion of "The Battle", in which the house is separated into a luxurious half and a poor half, with two teams of housemates constantly fighting for time in the luxurious half. Separated houses have also been used in Australia, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway, Poland, Scandinavia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, and the UK. Australia, Italy and Mexico added punishment zones to their houses.
  • The fourth Greek season introduced a new element: the mother. In Big Mother nine housemates take part in the game with their mothers, with whom they must coexist during the contest. The "mamas" were not able to win the prize but they would stay with their children until their eviction. However, this proved to be a failure with the shows audience and the show switched back to the traditional Big Brother format in mid-season.
  • Introduced in the fifth season of the American series, several countries have included twins, and in some cases triplets, in their shows. Usually, the siblings enter the show as one Housemate, and after making it to a certain point in the game, they split up as individuals. Series that have used Housemates who are twins or triplets are:
    • USA, 2004, Adria Montgomery-Klein and Natalie Montgomery-Carroll, 7th (Natalie) and 8th (Adria) Evicted, Used Name: "Adria".
    • Australia, 2005, David and Greg Matthew, 14th Evicted (David) and Winner (Greg, although the prize money was split), Used Name: "Logan" (Middle name of both Twins).
    • Bulgaria, 2006, Lyubov, Nadejda, and Vyara Stancheva, 7th (Nadejda) and 9th (Vyara) Evicted, Winner (Lyubov), Used Name: "Vyara".
    • UK, 2007, Amanda and Sam Marchant, 2nd Place (Both were treated separately until Day 68 when they became one).
    • France, 2007, Marjorie, Cyrielle and Johanna Bluteau, Winner (Marjorie, as she was the only one eligible for the grand prize).
    • Spain, 2007, Conchi and Pamela De Los Santos, 2nd Place, Used Name: "Rosa".
    • Poland, 2007, Aneta and Martyna Bielecka, 4th Evicted (They were discovered as twins), Used Name: "Martyna".
    • Philippines, 2007-08, Baron and Donnie became a 2-in-1 housemate, considered as one entity until an appointed time when Big Brother had the pair split-up. Donnie: 5th evicted, Baron: 1st ejected, Used Number: 7
    • Philippines, 2007-08, 26K girls of Kapamilya Deal or No Deal Jen and Marylaine, 1st Evicted, Used Number: 8

Not even twists just trivia information:

  • The Voice Graph system in BB Argentina, BB Australia & BB Germany.
  • The seventh season of Big Brother Australia focused upon environmental issues, the house fitted with rainwater tanks and a majority of the furniture being built entirely from recycled materials.

See what I mean, if the section "Variations in format" actually included just the major variations in format it would be much smaller and take up less room and wouldn't sound like a trivia section. How does Australia's house for BB7 constitutes it being a format change? If we actually go through the article and re-write or cleanup a lot of the sections we can reduce the file size. Also since Big Brother USA doesn't have public voting the introduction could be re-written so it fits all Big Brother's and doesn't exclude any.

Original Lead

Big Brother is a reality television show. In each series, which lasts for around three months, a number of people (normally fewer than fifteen at any one time) live together full-time in a "Big Brother House", isolated from the outside world but under the continuous gaze of television cameras. The housemates try to win a cash prize by avoiding periodic, usually publicly-voted, evictions from the house.

New Lead

Big Brother is a reality television show. In each series, which lasts for around three months, a number of people live together full-time in a "Big Brother House", isolated from the outside world but under the continuous gaze of television cameras. The housemates try to win a cash prize by avoiding periodic evictions from the house.

The new lead doesn't mention that normally fewer than fifteen at any one time and usually publicly-voted. By not having usually publicly-voted the lead is now written to describe all Big Brothers. More specific details like voting should be included in the Format and Variations in Format sections. I think if all the editors pull together and each take on a little bit of the article at a time then we should have a good article that will inform everyone very well including new people who do not know much about Big Brother in general. I suggest we get a peer review from the article and go from there. What do you guys think? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 20:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Modification to the Nominations Table

Do you guys think that the Evicted and Nominated For Eviction rows are easier to read when they are placed on top instead of in the bottom? The most important information should normally be placed on top of the table, just like the current housemates are placed above the eliminated ones. The example used is from Big Brother (Albania):

Round #1 Round #2 Round #3 Round #4 Round #5 Round #6 Round #7 Round #8 Round #9 Round #10 Round #11 Round #12 Round #13 Round #14
Evicted Ingrid
50%
to evict		 Juna
59%
to evict		 Leonard
32%
to evict		 Ervis
48%
to evict		 Ina
46%
to evict		 Ilda
Mardiola
ejected		 Julinda
45%
to evict
Nominated
For Eviction		 Ingrid
Romina
Shkëlqim		 Juna
Leonard
Romina		 Astrit
Ina
Leonard
Romina		 Astrit
Besarta
Ervis
Ina
Najada
Romina		 Arbër
Astrit
Ina
Najada
Pol
Romina		 Julinda
Mardiola
Olsi		 Besarta
Julinda
Olsi
Romina		 Olsi
Romina
Shkëlqim
Arbër Ervis
Romina		 Romina
Juna		 Romina
Ervis		 Romina
Ervis		 Romina
Ina		 Olsi
Shkëlqim		 Olsi
Shkëlqim		 Shkëlqim
Olsi
Astrit Arbër
Ingrid		 Arbër
Julinda		 Romina
Ina		 Ina
Ervis		 Ina
Pol		 Ilda
Mardiola		 Romina
Pol		 Shkëlqim
Pol
Besarta Astrit
Najada		 Astrit
Ina		 Astrit
Ina		 Romina
Ina		 Romina
Najada		 Romina
Najada		 Romina
Olsi		 Romina
Olsi
Dorina Not in
house		 Exempt
Jonida Not in
house		 Exempt
Najada Ina
Juna		 Juna
Pol		 Leonard
Besarta		 Besarta
Pol		 Besarta
Pol		 Julinda
Besarta		 Julinda
Besarta		 Besarta
Shkëlqim
Olsi Ervis
Ingrid		 Leonard
Ervis		 Astrit
Ina		 Romina
Besarta		 Arbër
Shkëlqim		 Mardiola
Romina		 Besarta
Julinda		 Poli
Shkëlqim
Pol Leonard
Najada		 Leonard
Romina		 Leonard
Romina		 Romina
Astrit		 Romina
Astrit		 Mardiola
Olsi		 Romina
Olsi		 Romina
Astrit
Romina Ingrid
Juna		 Leonard
Arbër		 Arbër
Besarta		 Ina
Besarta		 Arbër
Julinda		 Julinda
Besarta		 Julinda
Besarta		 Besarta
Shkëlqim
Shkëlqim Ingrid
Leonard		 Leonard
Juna		 Leonard
Romina		 Romina
Arbër		 Romina
Arbër		 Mardiola
Olsi		 Romina
Olsi		 Olsi
Romina
Julinda Romina
Shkëlqim		 Romina
Shkëlqim		 Romina
Astrit		 Romina
Najada		 Romina
Najada		 Mardiola
Romina		 Romina
Najada		 Evicted
(Day 64)
Ilda Not in
house		 Exempt Mardiola
Olsi		 Ejected
(Day 54)
Mardiola Not in
house		 Exempt Julinda
Besarta		 Ejected
(Day 54)
Ina Ingrid
Najada		 Leonard
Astrit		 Romina
Leonard		 Romina
Astrit		 Romina
Astrit		 Evicted
(Day 50)
Ervis Arbër
Ingrid		 Arbër
Juna		 Romina
Astrit		 Romina
Najada		 Evicted
(Day 43)
Leonard Pol
Shkëlqim		 Ina
Shkëlqim		 Ina
Pol		 Evicted
(Day 36)
Juna Romina
Shkëlqim		 Shkëlqim
Romina		 Evicted
(Day 29)
Ingrid Romina
Shkëlqim		 Evicted
(Day 15)

Exo (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That wouldn't work with the American version and the Philippine version since they use the top portion for other information and wouldn't really work with Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition Plus.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 03:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you provide an example that shows why it wouldn't work? All it does is move the most important information on top, a space which is currently being used for secondary information in many tables. It's hard to imagine that information like HOH or Challenge Winner is worthy of the first row while the most important stuff like evictions is last. Anyhow, I vote for a reconfiguration of tables that prioritizes on the information and their location in the table based on their importance:
  • Evictions/Winners first
  • Up For Eviction second
  • Challenge Winner/HOH/Veto/Ban etc third
  • Individual nominations fourth

Hoping there's an agreement. Exo (talk) 04:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

In the USA version Nominations are tied in with the Veto. Nominations are done by one person the HoH, after pre-veto Nominations there is a veto comp. then the winner decides to use it or not then you have who is nominated. The votes in the USA version are votes to evict not to nominated. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 04:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Could you make an example of this conflict of information and how it would not blend in if the eviction row was placed on top? Maybe there will be some re-configuration needed for the top section so that the information is ranked based on priority but I am having trouble picturing how it would not be possible to have all of the primary information on top, instead of splitting it up the way it's done right now? Or if that doesn't work out, another option would be...why not have the most important information, the evictions on top, and place the HOH and the vetoes on the bottom? How is that information more important than the evictions and the winner? Exo (talk) 04:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Here is the top portion of Big Brother 4 (U.S.) as it is now.

Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Week 5 Week 6 Week 7 Week 8 Week 9 Week 10 Week 11
Finale
Head of Household Nathan Jee Dana Alison Justin Erika Jee Jun Robert Alison (none)
Nominations
(pre-veto)		 Amanda
Jee		 Erika
Michelle		 Alison
Jack		 Dana
Jun		 Jack
Nathan		 Justin
Robert		 Erika
Jack		 Alison
Jee		 Alison
Jun		 Jun
Robert
Veto Winner Dana David Nathan Robert Robert Jun Jee Alison Alison (none)
Nominations
(post-veto)		 Amanda
Jee		 Erika
Michelle		 David
Jack		 Dana
Jun		 Jack
Nathan		 Justin
Robert		 Erika
Jack		 Jee
Robert		 Erika
Jun

Here is what you suggested and wouldn't make sense to someone who is new to the American Big Brother:

Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Week 5 Week 6 Week 7 Week 8 Week 9 Week 10 Week 11
Finale
Expelled Scott None
Evicted Amanda
9 of 9 votes
to evict		 Michelle
6 of 8 votes
to evict		 David
5 of 7 votes
to evict		 Dana
6 of 6 votes
to evict		 Nathan
5 of 5 votes
to evict		 Justin
3 of 4 votes
to evict		 Jack
2 of 3 votes
to evict		 Jee
2 of 2 votes
to evict		 Erika
1 of 1 vote
to evict		 Robert
1 of 1 vote
to evict

Alison
1 vote
to win

Jun
6 votes
to win
Nominations
(post-veto)		 Amanda
Jee		 Erika
Michelle		 David
Jack		 Dana
Jun		 Jack
Nathan		 Justin
Robert		 Erika
Jack		 Jee
Robert		 Erika
Jun		 (none) (none)
Nominations
(pre-veto)		 Amanda
Jee		 Erika
Michelle		 Alison
Jack		 Dana
Jun		 Jack
Nathan		 Justin
Robert		 Erika
Jack		 Alison
Jee		 Alison
Jun		 Jun
Robert
Veto Winner Dana David Nathan Robert Robert Jun Jee Alison Alison (none)
Head of Household Nathan Jee Dana Alison Justin Erika Jee Jun Robert Alison

♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It is crucial that in the American version the Nominations are not at the top since the process is more complex. It needs to be in the order of Head of Household, Pre-Veto Nominations, Veto Winner, Post-Veto Nominations in order to make sense. Also bringing up the "Eviction" section means you need to bring up the "Expelled" (or Ejected) section as well. See how complicated it looks. Plus with as many people nominated like in the UK it would basically be a while before you get to the nominations. In Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition Plus wouldn't work due to the Guardians. The current setup is more flexible and customizable to due to some of the more complex twists that other countries use. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Another point I want to make out is the tables are not ordered in lets say importance. They are ordered in what makes sense to a newcomer to Wikipedia. Basically the easiest way to understand what happened that week summed up. Some countries Big Brother may void the nominations or hold fake nominations as part of a twist this also needs to be considered when structuring the tables. In most versions now just because someone is "Ejected" or "Walked" Big Brother will continue with the eviction so an "Ejected" and "Walked" row is needed. Some countries have two rounds of nominations before the actual eviction happens. Big Brother is very complex especially for versions that have been on for a couple of years that use complex twists. The current setup is able to handle complex twists, customization to the local Big Brother while upholding a somewhat unified look with other countries. Some versions have joint housemates and depending on how long they last Big Brother may split them apart after a while. Your setup works for a beginning series since it does not include complex twists. The housemates nominate people for eviction, the people with the highest percentage of votes leave, simple. Some of the more recent series are more complex in twists and gameplay and a flexible table style is needed. Also in the case of the American Big Brother that country has used two different formats, the original format (what Albania) uses now and a completely different format in order to evict housemates. It is important we try to remain consistent from season to season. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I came up with this one for Big Brother 5, it does work out also but alot of re-arrangement has to take place, however it does prioritize information based on importance:
Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Week 5 Week 6 Week 7 Week 8 Week 9 Week 10 Week 11
Day 63 Day 64 Day 78 Finale
Evicted Mike
10 of 10 votes
to evict		 Lori
7 of 9 votes
to evict		 Holly
7 of 8 votes
to evict		 Scott
4 of 7 votes
to evict		 Jase
6 of 7 votes
to evict		 Will
4 of 7 votes
to evict		 Natalie
4 of 5 votes
to evict		 Adria
4 of 4 votes
to evict		 Marvin
3 of 3 votes
to evict		 Karen
2 of 2 votes
to evict		 Nakomis
1 of 1 vote
to evict		 Diane
1 of 1 vote
to evict

Michael
3 votes
to win

Drew
4 votes
to win
Nominations
(post-veto)		 Mike
Nakomis		 Karen
Lori		 Adria
Holly		 Marvin
Scott		 Jase
Marvin		 Marvin
Will		 Michael
Natalie		 Adria
Michael		 Marvin
Nakomis		 Karen
Michael		 Diane
Nakomis		 (none)
Veto Winner Scott Jase Nakomis Jase Drew Adria Adria Karen Diane Diane Michael (none)
Nominations
(pre-veto)		 Mike
Nakomis		 Holly
Lori		 Holly
Nakomis		 Jase
Scott		 Diane
Marvin		 Marvin
Will		 Adria
Natalie		 Adria
Michael		 Diane
Marvin		 Drew
Michael		 Diane
Nakomis		 Diane
Michael		 (none)
Head of Household Jase Marvin Drew Diane Nakomis Adria Nakomis Marvin Drew Nakomis Drew Drew (none)
Notes See
note 1		 None See
note 2		 None See
note 3		 None See
note 4		 See
note 5

I hate to be picky about this, and it might have limitted support as it is a dramatic change, but at least I argued my point that information in the table should appear in order of importance and I think it should at least be heard and considered. Exo (talk) 05:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, you're right about the ejection extra row, because sometimes there might be an ejection and an eviction at the same week. Exo (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I hope I didn't sound mean or anything, I was just looking at the various tables looking at what is the easiest way due to the various twists and what would be the easiest way to new visitors who may not know how another country works. If it wasn't for the sheer complex twists that most series now use I would be behind you but the complex twists and the easiest way to read a table with such twists was what I was looking at. 05:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
On no, not at all, I hope I didn't sound mean either. We both have very valid arguments and the best of intentions, it's just a matter of which idea is more efficient on the global scale rather than on individual countries. I just had my idea be heard, I realise it's a long shot, but it is a good idea nonetheless, so maybe something else pops up in the future, some new twist or procedure or whatever...and this "prioritizing" idea might come in handy to someone when placing info in the table rows. I learned something new today with the standardization rules and all, I had no idea there were restrictions so that's why I experimented with the Big Brother Albania table a bit. :) Exo (talk) 06:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bye

I am not going to edit anymore!!! I have watch every series from BBUK, BBAU and BBUSA and I am leaving due to the fact that more or less everytime I edit a Big Brother page it gets reverted back by Alucard 16 who thinks no edit is perfect unless it is his own. Bye. In23065 (talk) 23:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)