Talk:White Sox-Cubs rivalry
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[edit] Socioeconomics
In the "Socioeconomics", the idea that affluence is attributed to any one team is absurd. There is no proof that the Cubs are a team that attracts the affluent, while the White Sox attracts the non-affluent. It is also ridiculous to say that one race prefers one team, while another prefers the other. Couldn’t that be eliminated?
- It's a stereotype only, and should be labeled as such. The stereotype is that the Cubs attract yuppies and the Sox attract the working class. Wahkeenah 23:25, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Watch for POV Vandalism
"The rivalry is so heated, that it can be considered a "civil war" for the city, with the only thing keeping the city together for many years were the Chicago Bulls and Chicago Bears. However, because of the growing number of Cub fans becoming fans of the Green Bay Packers, which of course, are the Bears biggest rival, many Sox fans, from some peoples' perspectives, are paranoid that Cub fans are Packer fans, so the Bears have now entered the rivalry, with Sox fans saying that since they are Bears fans, Cub fans are, in fact, traitors to the city, and saying that, despite loving a legendary part of the city, which is Wrigley Field, they are "fair-weather" Chicagoans. Of course, a few Cubfans will deny this, especially Jim Belushi, who is a die-hard Bears fan."
"The only problem with this, is the Cubs' history of choking and failure, it could be long time before the Cubs finally win which is great from a Sox fan's perspective."
I'm going to revert to my last edit, and keep an eye out for other POV bull.
What's this bullcrap about Cub fans begin PAcker fans. not true at all. Im a Sox fan, yrt I find a way to unite with cubs fan during football season--Arusnak 17:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
-- gavindow 00:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Watch for POV vandalism: team swapping
We're getting regular POV vandalism from an anonymous user who is swapping the names of the two teams with no regard to the facts related, and also swapping the position in which the two team names appear, which at this point should simply be left consistent with the title, or as it is.Patrick Sheehan 05:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Several minor points.
-Maybe at the end of the first paragraph where it mentions that the Red Line is the only thing the teams have in common an addition could be made to include Harry Caray (who broadcasted for both teams), and perhaps a chart of players that have played for both teams could be added at the end (e.g. Steve Stone, Luis Salazar, Jason Bere, Sammy Sosa, George Bell, Rich "Goose" Gossage, Greg Hibbard, Don Pall, Matt Karchner, Scott Fletcher, Ron Santo, Don Kessinger, etc...).
-I also think that some tidbits could be added regarding the exhibition series' (i.e. "The Cross-town Classic") that the two teams played prior to inter-league play. Maybe include the record. I'm sure it exists somewhere from these games.
-Oh, and the Major League debut of Michael Jordan in a Sox uniform at the was during a Cub-Sox clash at Wrigley Field.
-In the media section there was mention of the broadcasting disparity on WGN of Cub games to Sox games. I believe this is actually due to the contract Sox majority owner Jerry Reinsdorf has with WGN, and not necessarily because of a bias on the part of the Tribune. (It's a minor point).
Ered7 19:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Red Line Rivalry
I've never heard this term and I've been a Chicagoan and a purveyor of trash talk for years. I've NEVER heard that term. It needs sourcing or deletion.
- I agree. I'm going to change this to "Crosstown Classic" to match the conversation below. —Fumo7887 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crosstown classic
This should be renamed Crosstown Classic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.1.43.206 (talk) 02:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
- The article is named as such to match with other rivalry articles. I'm going to change the "also known as" however. —Fumo7887 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I grew up with the term "Crosstown Classic," not "Sox-Cubs Rivalry." I feel it would be best to revert to "Crosstown Classic" for this article, and to encourage neutral names for similar rivalries around baseball when applicable: Subway Series for New York, Freeway Series for Los Angeles, I-55 Series for Cubs-Cardinals. That way, we can avoid so-called vandalism with Sox-Cubs and Cubs-Sox being flip-flopped. Brackenborough 19:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the current title is more appropriate. The term Crosstown Classic used to very specifically apply to the annual exhibition game. It is sometimes used to apply to individual games in the series, but I have never heard the actual rivalry called the Crosstown Classic.TeganX7 06:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
What about the "Windy City Classic?" I believe that's what the one-game exhibition was called when I was growing up (late 80s early 90s)? Dburba (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] By the Numbers
After thinking about it, I decided to add a chart comparing the teams with some numbers. Most of the info was added up from mlb.com. Some of this info may not be all that important. It is very rough, and I welcome improvementsTeganX7 06:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Socioeconomics section
There are no sources cited here at all, and it seems like total nonsense to me. The entire socioeconomics section seems unfit for the article; to make claims that Cubs fans are more affluent than Sox fans is ridiculous without backup support. This is stated in this section, but there is much else that is totally unnecessary. There should be a sentence, at most, concerning this. Unless there is a sudden influx of sources or good arguments for, I'm going to just get rid of the section. Stever Augustus 19:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
