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I would like to know more about the living conditions of the prisoners who built the canal. What werethe working conditions? How was their diet and how did they die? Where were they buried? Rgámez, San Jose, CA,USA

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[edit] Lake Ladoga

This article mentions two of the lakes on the canal's length, but not the biggest, Lake Ladoga. (It seems to be part of the canal, at least according to the map.) Maybe someone should add it to the relevant section. --JamesHoadley 09:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually Belomorkanal connects the White Sea and Lake Onega - you can see its map in the russian wikipedia article. Other parts on the map refer to Mariinskaya Waterways System which was built before Russian Revolution. RamBow 19:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, I get it. Thanks. --JamesHoadley 13:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
You are welcome. And you are right - the article needs improvement in this area. It consists good political overview but there is obvious lack of geographic and technical information. RamBow 19:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Too much about those writers

There is too much speculation about that team of Russian writers and artists and what they knew. Is that visit especially notable? --Apoc2400 06:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] depth limited?

Is canal really challenged by its depth ( citation? )? Being 4m deep, it conforms with depth of river waterways in Russia. Maybe it's locks' width that create some difficulties ( most popular cruise ships and volgo-don size freighters don't fit them). Linefeed 00:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naming names, "Jewish conspiracy"??!

User:BigChillClassic put in some editorial comments and a list of people responsible for the deaths on the canal. This was reverted, I though unecessarily so, it should have just been edited. So I put in the following:

"Some of the administrators and security officers believed to be responsible for the many deaths are Naftaly Frenkel, Yakov Rappoport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda and Sergei Zhuk."

As it stands it uses "weasal words" so it would be much better to say who thinks they are responsible (beyond BigChill). Frenkel is obviously responsible, and Yagoda certainly is responsible for things just as bad, and probably this as well. The other names ring a bell from having read a couple of books on the topic, but that's really not good enough in the long term (I think gradualism can apply here, it is not a BLP issue).

Unfortuneately, in doing some basic internet checks, it seems that this list (usually in the same order) is posted all over the internet in anti- (Jewish,Semetic,Zionist take-your-pick) sites. There seems to be a common source, perhaps Gulag Archipeligo - but who knows. I do not want to associate myself or Wikipedia with those sites, but I do think that naming names is important here. For example, I can't imagine an article on Nazi concentration camps that doesn't name Hitler or Eichmann.

Any help, suggestions appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 20:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

  • I removed this list once, as unreferenced, chaotic and pointless. For example, why would Yagoda be responsible for deaths? He was a governmental chief of the whole GULAG at these times. The (first) chief of the Canal constructioin was Frenkel. By this logic the whole Politburo must be added in this list, with Lenin and Stalin and all, who were in charge of everything. If there are particular cases of brutality, they must be decribed in the corresponding bio article. And I am removing it again. What might be of use is the chain of command for the SWBK. `'Míkka>t 00:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • P.S. BTW you are right about "Jewish conspiracy" issue: there were quite a few non-Jews amonmg management; the russian wikikipedia article lists some of them. `'Míkka>t 01:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • As for Hitler and Nazi camps, you are a bit confused and mistaken. Yes Hitler and others are ultimately responsible for the whole Holocaust. But you don't need them to be mentioned in each Holocaust article. Each level of events has its own list of immediately guilty, who must be blamed, not Hitler. Please remember it was the favorite line of defense of Nazis: "I was only executing the command. Don't blame me, blame my boss." `'Míkka>t 01:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, you are right naming names is significant. There is a good deal of confusion who was chief of what and when. I will start adding them in a proper way. `'Míkka>t 01:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)