Talk:Whiggamore Raid
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[edit] False etymology?
Oxford English Dictionary defines Whiggamore as Hist
- Originally, One of a body of insurgents of the West of Scotland who in 1648 marched on Edinburgh, their expedition being called the ‘whiggamore raid, road, or inroad’; later (contemptuous), = WHIG n.2 2.
- Whig, n.2 and a. 1. A yokel, country bumpkin. Obs. rare.
The Oxford English Dictionary gives a different etymology for whiggamore
- The form whig(g)amore, used by Bp. Burnet in the often cited passage given s.v. WHIG n.2 ... which is prob. f. WHIG v.1 + mere, MARE n.1
and comments:
- The word whiggam adduced by Burnet as a term used in driving horses is unsupported by evidence
The OED states that WHIG as a verb is "1. trans. To urge forward, drive briskly.". So whiggamore means to drive a mare. So according to the OED it has nothing to do with so sour milk. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 13:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Note the OED also has the word "whig, n.1"
- Now Sc. and dial.
- Variously applied to (a) sour milk or cream, (b) whey, (c) buttermilk, (d) a beverage consisting of whey fermented and flavoured with herbs.
With an etymology
- [Of unascertained origin, but presumably related to WHEY. (The variation of whig and wig in Sc. is remarkable.)]
The OED specifically mentions in the etymology of "Whig, n.2 and a" :
- The supposition that this word is identical with WHIG n.1 (cf. the following quots.) has no historical foundation.
And quotes authors making such a supposition as 1717 DE FOE Mem. Ch. Scot. III. (1844) 68/2; 1721 WODROW Hist. Suff. Ch. Scot. II. ii. I. 263; a1734 NORTH Exam. II. v. §10 (1740) 321
--Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 14:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hello Philip. Yes, there are several etymologies... It would be nice to list them all. Do you need a hand with this? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
- Even false etymologies, can be listed if notable.... ≈ jossi ≈ (talk)
- I think that the word as a word would be better in Wiktionary. What I propose instead is that we turn the redirect Whiggamore Raid into an article and redirect Whiggamore and this article to that one. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 17:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
