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[edit] Discrepencies

There are some odd discreps in this article, I'd like them corrected, but as a long-time employee of WGBH am I disallowed from editing the article on grounds of conflict of interests? e.g. - Two differing dates are given for the fire at the Mass Ave studios... Either the story is more complex than I know, or someone's mistaken. Emyth 21:29, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

Anyone can edit, the relation you may have to the subject doesn't matter. Everyone is encouraged and welcomed to help out. :-) - Evil saltine 10:45, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sign-on/sign-off section

Lots of information, yet the format is messy (reads more like a memo than an article). Tried to clean it up, but I am not an expert concerning the information in that section. Also, I am not sure if such material should be included. Any thoughts? Pentawing 18:52, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't believe it has any encyclopedic value. 121a0012 03:22, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

If it stays, it should be at or near the end of the article, since it's misc. information when compared to the rest. - Evil saltine 10:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I did some more cleanup and moved the section towards the end, yet I am still keeping the "cleanup" notation on the article. I am going to wait for two weeks, and if no one argues for keeping this section, I'm getting rid of it. Pentawing 03:47, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Since nobody has argued for keeping the section, I have commented it out. If someone does wish to include this material, simply uncomment the passage (though after reading through it, I don't believe it has any value). Pentawing 04:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting article

IMHO, this article needs to be split into separate WGBH (FM) and WGBH-TV/WGBX-TV articles. While the history may be shared, very little about the programming is. Right now the article title is correct for the FM, but the contents are mostly about TV. 121a0012 02:39, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

If there is a lot more information on WGBH-FM, I would disagree about splitting the article. Instead, one could rewrite the introduction to better reflect the fact that the article is on both the TV and radio stations. Also, one could write separate sections devoted to each station (see the article KQED for an example). Pentawing 03:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Agree, without a doubt --wpktsfs 22:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WGBH's music theme

The seven-second theme for WGBH is still the same, why do you still keep the old WGBH music theme for synthesizer and who composed the theme for the ID?

We aren't them, how do we know? --Wcquidditch | Talk 18:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "The sign-off was similar to the sign-off, but in reverse."

What the hell is that supposed to mean? --/ɛvɪs/ /tɑːk/ /kɑntɹɪbjuʃ(ə)nz/ 11:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a typo. --Wcquidditch | Talk 19:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Problems

The intro really needs some attention. It says

WGBH is an established public television station for Boston, Massachusetts, which is a member of public radio networks (PBS, and NPR and PRI).

Does anyone else see a problem here? That an "established ... television" station is a member of "radio networks"? And that PBS is not a radio network and that PRI is not an organization with "member" stations? And that there is no mention of the production and distribution that WGBH does on its own of both television and radio programming? I started to reword this, but dropped it as it will take longer than I have to deal with it right now. (OK, so the next sentence does mention the TV productions, but still, the first sentence just seems inadequate in so many ways.) older≠wiser 01:24, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Trivia section

Trivia section was removed. The only item it contained sounded like a plug. The presumed plug was added by a user who had previously vandalized the page.

[edit] Taken Down by WGBH Management

A user on Music Lane (can be found on Google) complained about Wikipedia saying the article on WGBH-TV carries the Charlie the Red Dog early in the morning at 7 A.M, saying some PBS viewers were not supporting either WGBH or PBS and let's take out the word, "disco". —the preceding unsigned comment is by 65.54.97.193 (talk • contribs) 18:46, December 26 2005 (UTC)

[edit] An article about WGBY?

I know WGBY gets a little mention in this article, but I feel as though it should get its own article. What do you think? JB82 { !@? } 03:46, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to agree. 'GBY has its own web presence and seems to be run basically separately from the Boston station -- it's hard to even find a WGBH reference on their website. (I'd almost be inclined to break out WCAI/WNAN/WZAI into their own article too, but I'm not too sure about that.) Haikupoet 05:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Address of original studio

I edited the article to state that the original studios were at 84 Massachusetts Avenue in Cambridge. The city was not given originally in this context, and the article states that the station is in Boston; there exists an 84 Mass. Ave. in Boston which is not the former location of the studios.

[edit] Local programming?

This article is about WGBH-TV/FM in Boston too. This article has more national content and programming and its missing its great local programming which is totally missing. Programs such as Greater Boston, La Plaza, Basic Black and its Eye on Education. None of the mentioned programs are not even on the article. I might have a slant to this, but I highly respect the local programming from WGBH that can't be viewed outside the fifth largest televison market in the country and these programs cannot be found nationally on PBS.... Steven312 01:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship

One or more people using IP addresses from WGBH and WGBH Educational Foundation have repeatedly been censoring sourced information, for an unknown reason, from the Suze Rotolo article. I just thought this should be known. Flipsod2 20:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

This, of course, isn't the place to make that known (unless you're trying to vent a grudge or some such). Take it up with Wikipedia's administrators.

Atlant 22:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for casting aspersions by suggesting I have a grudge. It is of note that someone closely associated with WGBH is actively censoring information. Flipsod2 23:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Your response to me seems to continue to suggest that you do. As I said (and said in good faith), if you have an issue, take it up with the Wiki admins; they can act on it.

Atlant 01:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Times are changing at WGBH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.15.168.89 (talk • contribs) 16:24, February 2, 2006

Uh... I'm just wondering, what does that have to do with censorship by WGBH people? For that matter, does that have anything to do with the WGBH article at all? That just seems... random, I'll say. --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

BTW, that is a WGBH IP. That's a link... but everything else doesn't pan out. --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Viacom digital television facility"

Could someone update that? I have no reason to believe Viacom owns the tower that WGBH-TV/WGBX-TV operates from anymore, since after the recent split all of its broadcast operations (like this facility) are part of CBS Corporation, as this facility has traditionally been owned by WBZ-TV. So, could someone update the Viacom references accordingly? --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

That is my understanding as well, but if so, they have yet to file an ownership change for the antenna structure registration with the FCC.

OK... after no luck at the FCC, I figured out what happened by looking at the SEC documents. Viacom did not spin off CBS; Viacom spun off "New Viacom" and then changed its name to CBS. Theoretically, they are supposed to file "pro forma" transfers for all of the "Viacom, Inc." assets (including the 350 Cedar Street tower and WBZ-TV itself) but haven't (yet) done so. So yes, that should be updated. 121a0012 20:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A glaring omission ?

Most articles that are initialisms state what the initials stand for. Perhaps I am mistaken in that WGBH isn't an initialism, or perhaps the answer is already mentioned and I have missed it; however one of the first things and initialism article should state, surely, is what the initials stand for - no ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.103.205.80 (talk • contribs) .

Well, okay. It's in the info box and was mentioned under callsign history, but I took a look at what was written there and it's not as clear as it could be. The answer is Great Blue Hill (from the original location of the transmitter in Milton). Hope that fixes the problem. Haikupoet 06:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting the article

2 oppose, 3 agree.

Oppose. First off, I'm of the opinion that unless the radio and TV operations of a specific callsign have a distinctly different identity, or unless the article has reached a truly unwieldy length (which I can't say I think this article has), there really isn't much point in separating them, especially in situations such as this where the radio and TV operations are tightly intertwined. Now WGBY and Cape and Islands NPR are somewhat different cases, if only because they're in different media markets from the Boston stations, even though they are part of the WGBH umbrella organization. That said, however, WGBH-FM and WGBH-TV do cross-promote each other, and the member's magazine 'GBH gives programming information for both the radio and television sides. I just don't see a split as being productive, and in fact might create some unnecessary redundancy. Haikupoet 18:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I also oppose... But if a split is made, it should be done in a manner that correctly reflects the actual structure of the institution, no? WGBH Educational Foundation is the parent entity. WGBH Radio Boston is the FM entity that spawned the CAI/NAN stations. WGBH TV2 is the television entity. WGBY is related... And so on... There are also the Online departments which are the institutions "third platform". Emyth 16:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Oppose for the stated reasons. Atlant 16:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree completely. The argument can also be that KYW-TV and KYW 1060 cross promote, WCBS-TV WCBS 880 cross promote, but the reason those are separated, because they are different. WGBH-TV does not simulcast their programming on the radio, therefore the FM should not be on the main page. WPVI can get away because they simulcast their programming 24/7 on their FM station, therefore that can be in the same article.

The article, may I be direct, looks really messy. If the people really want the FM side of GBH in the article, why the hell is there not an infobox on the radio station? GBY should not be in this article because its not in the same market. Springfield/Hartford/Albany can't get GBH and Boston/Manchester can't get GBY, therefore should not be in the article. 'CAI/NAN should not be in the article because the logic that the stations doesn't simulcast GBH-TV, therefore have its separate article.

The cross reference is bullshit, and should be taken into consideration. If the logic is that if the radio stations aired Greater Boston or NOVA, then it should be in the main article (like WPVI reference earlier). They don't air the same programming, its similar, but not exact, therefore it should be separated.

If people believe the "its the same thing" shit, I'll be extremely happy to create a WGBH (FM) article. The people are idiots editing this article for the last 2 years, I hate coming to this article, when I click on it. Steven312 13:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree because WGBH-TV, WGBX, and WGBH-FM are three different entities. Also, Steven312 screwed up, saying WPVI had a sister FM station. It is the channel 6 sound carrier (in a nutshell). 75.120.52.154 23:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree because I think the article is becoming quite long. And because they are 3 different, independent programming entities (WGBH-FM is on a totally different medium, so that should be split off, at least). 207.119.203.11 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Agree that WGBH-FM & WCAI at least should be split off of this article. This article is getting quite long. 72.161.135.38 (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WGBH outline

The pictures of the WGBH TV jingle are excellent. It's much better to have a visual picture of what's being talked about than having to imagine it. However, I found a still of the outline being formed on YouTube.com. I don't have the slightest idea how to incorporate it in with the other pictures and I would probably wind up screwing it up or getting in trouble if I tried to do it on my own. If anybody can pull it off (legally), I believe it would be an excellent representation of what the outline looks like at the beginning. I know finding pictures of the old WGBH logo/jingle is hard. Just a suggestion. Thanks!

[edit] Regarding the CANCOM satellite linkup.

Okay, this is User:DanCBJMS, however, I haven't logged in yet. Referring to the CANCOM satellite linkup comment - I would assume that since CANCOM is owned by the Shaw Cable company, would that mean that the CANCOM service would be applicable only to subscribers of StarChoice? This question is because there is a "PBS East" mentioned on the Bell ExpressVu website, but when I go onto Lyngsat.com WGBH-2 (NOT WGBH-44, I wonder why) is mentioned as being on one of Bell Canada's Nimiq satellites (I think it's Nimiq-2, I could be wrong). This could theoretically make me infer that WGBH IS the PBS East of ExpressVu.

Also, in support of the opposition mentioned above - I oppose splitting it off entirely yet. The reasoning is because WGBH TV and Radio are SO interlinked by the Foundation that it would be hard to do so. Now, if WGBH decided to take over all New England NPR and PBS stations and called itself the "Broadcasting Corporation of New England" or something to that regard, then yes I'd support splitting it off, but for the time being, no. Even WCAI/WZAI/WNAN is mention in WGBH's radio schedules, and occasionally spots for Cape and Islands NPR can be heard on WGBH 89.7/WNCK 89.5, especially in the summertime. The only thing I can see on the WGBY website that would "separate" it from WGBH is that the WGBY website lacks a "history", which is odd, I think. -134.117.168.232 20:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] W?

I've seen the name "WGBH Boston" appear as a co-producer on a number of BBC programmes, and always wondered what it was. I see from the article the "GBH" stands for Great Blue Hills, but what does the "W" stand for? 172.207.73.64 12:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Nothing. See North American call sign. 121a0012 02:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Last Chance Garage:A glaring ommission

OF all the WGBH-produced programs listed, why wasn't "Last Chance Garage" included?...this was back in the days BEFORE Tom and Ray Magliozzi(aka "Click and Clack") were household names on NPR.

"Last Chance Garage" was hosted by a Boston-area mechanic named Brad Sears, and there was the official "companion" book that went with it during the second season(now WAAAY long out-of-print). The show was on PBS(through WGBH) for at least five years(from 1981-86).

Please add this excellent show to the official program list.

Thanks,Baldwin91006 02:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree w/ Baldwin about this:NOT including "Last Chance Garage" on the list of shows is a disservice to us "backyard mechanics" everywhere...Michaela92399 02:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Now I tried to create a page for this series, and about a minute later, IT WAS DELETED!!!...now I'm gonna try again...Michaela92399 16:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems that a user was watching this WGBH page last night for ANYTHING that wasn't pro-WGBH, and he/she picked MY page to delete!...now I will definitely try again...Michaela92399 16:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Michaela...who was it?...was it someone who has a greedy, "rush-to-judgement" factor for deleting your page?...Baldwin91006 16:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Digital Channel Numbers

Why are the digital channel numbers for wgbh and wgbx listed as 19 and 43 respectively? As far as I know they're still 2 and 44. WGBH's website makes no reference to different numbers for digital signals. I also have not been able to find any reference to them elsewhere online.--129.64.174.30 (talk) 02:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Go to the FCC's Common Database System search page and plug in "WGBH-TV" under callsign. The digital channel is listed at the bottom of the station information box. The FCC requires that stations PSIP with their analog channel number (even for those stations which will be remaining on different channels after 2009, as with nearly all Boston stations). 121a0012 (talk) 06:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

So if station are forced to PSIP their original analog channel number what's the point of bothering metnion the digital channel number?--129.64.228.125 (talk) 15:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It is relevant to those who want to buy the right antenna or filter in order to receive (or not receive) the digital signal, and for those who are interested in broadcasting technology. 121a0012 (talk) 01:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for being slightly off-topic, but all the aforementioned about PSIP etc., does this mean that even though GBH will be on digital channel 19 or whatever, I still tune my television to channel 2 on February 17, 2009? (Yeah, I'm slightly retarded on these kinds of issues...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raj Fra (talk • contribs) 02:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, unless you have one of the first-generation digital tuners that did not implement PSIP in this way. In some cases, it may be necessary to tune the receiver to channel 19 first in order for it to know that channel 2 broadcasts there (but most non-cable consumers will have used the "auto-set" function of their receiver to locate all local digital channels). 121a0012 (talk) 05:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for move

The other WGBH stations have their own articles now. The current article should be moved to WGBH-TV, and afterward, the space titled WGBH (without any suffix) should become a disambiguation page. New World Man (talk) 00:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

As WGBH is an unlicensed station, unless the station refers to itself as "WGBH-TV", it should be located at WGBH (TV). JPG-GR (talk) 03:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

WGBH-TV is a licensed station. Look at the FCC record at http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WGBH and you'll see that it does have a -TV suffix. New World Man (talk) 03:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, crap, must've typoed. Sorry. JPG-GR (talk) 05:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The organization is one, though, so while it might be appropriate to have separate articles for WGBH-TV and WGBH radio, the main article including history, callsign, station, most of this article, belongs at WGBH. —Centrx→talk • 04:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)