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[edit] Speedy deletion of Real physical nuclear models
A tag has been placed on Real physical nuclear models requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Oore (talk) 05:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Real Physical Model
A tag has been placed on Real Physical Model, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Speedy deletion of Real Physical Model
A tag has been placed on Real Physical Model requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. WikiZorro 23:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proper use of wiki
Please, please take some time to use this wiki edit tool properly. Your inputs are all malformed. I recommend starting with the Help link along the left.—RJH (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks but I'm an old dog and it's hard to learn new tricks. I thought maybe the article setup person could help me but I'll work at it.WFPMWFPM (talk) 18:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Wait till you get older but thanks, WFPMWFPM (talk) 14:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
PS I cant believe you guys would have an article on astronomy without reference to Dr, Asimov. WFPMWFPM (talk) 15:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- The preference is for primary sources, such as scientific journal articles.—RJH (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Welcome!
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- Hi, seems to me you've not been properly welcomed. Hope you find the links above helpful (I have by no means digested them all myself yet). This kind of a weird place, but still a noble effort, in my opinion. I got slightly beat up myself a few months back, trying to improve the "2001" article section on interpretation, which had essentially only a link to a really pathetic Wiki article the subject. That ended OK I guess (almost entirely due to the efforts of other editors who stepped into the fray; the separate article is not perfect, but much better), but I was quite astonished to learn that it was impermissible under the WP:NOR rules even to state that the novel was relevant to the meaning of the film. Anyhow, hope you don't get discouraged.
- I'm a physicist also, currently working in IR astronomy, but earlier did a term in experimental particle physics, and then some years X- & gamma- ray astronomy. So I may be even older (66) than you. Anyhow, I have consulted a bit on RJHall's Cygnus X-1 article, which was how I noticed your interaction with him.
- All the best, Bill Wwheaton (talk) 17:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- I just looked at your User page, & saw your plea for help on RJH's user page, and I guess I should add that I probably can't help you with your nuclear article if it involves a radical rejection of special relativity or QM, even though I mostly think of myself as a classical physicist still struggling with the post-Maxwell issues. I am also not at all expert in nuclear physics. I am most uncertain about (and interested in) the interpretations of QM. But per Wiki rules, you cannot get a new idea out here, except maybe informally, in the talk pages. There is some more freedom for discussion there, but of course you lose all intellectual property rights to any ideas mentioned. Wwheaton (talk) 21:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Well, I'm curious enough to be interested in what your point is, but I don't know enough nuclear physics to have the concept. I remember going to a talk Pauling gave at UCSD on a "sphereon model" (? I think it was) that argued that alpha particles significantly retain their identity in at least some nuclei. I guess the Ne was 5-alpha's. Anyhow, I have almost no idea what you are talking about, so don't get your hopes up.... Have you got the article somewhere in your user space where I can see it? (I think that tends to be permitted when it is not abusively excessive. I believe you can get a copy of a deleted article e-mailed to you if you want it.)
- Asimov was my favorite after Clarke, maybe tied with Stanislaw Lem. Good minds, all. Cheers, Wwheaton (talk) 22:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I like Asimov a lot in general, and he was often brilliant, but I hated the Foundation series. Kept thinking I'd learn something and never did, gave up after #3. Clarke did some pretty undistinguished stuff too, and I do think we mostly need to be judged by our best, not our worst work.
Wish I had more insight to offer on your nuclear model problem, but I think you basically just have to get it published in the mainstream literature. Right or wrong, Wiki has to wait for that. It's frustrating at times, but the necessity for it seems pretty clear to me, to keep us from getting endlessly mired in trying to settle disputes. I believe Pauling probably did have some intelligent things to say about the core halo structure you mentioned, but my problem was I'd gone two days without sleep when I tried to listen to that talk. (What a fiasco!) Best, Wwheaton (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Weird
For reasons that are entirely unclear to me, I can see notices re the material you have put on my talk page in the past few hours, and diff's showing them on the talk page history, but I cannot see the stuff at all when I just go to my talk page and look. The last thing I see there is clocked at 19:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC), but in the page history I see three later messages from you. No idea if this is Wiki software's fault or something here, or what. Anyhow, I can read your messages OK on the diff pages, it's just clumsy.
Aha! I see it! There is a dotted but empty box at the bottom of my page, and it is extremely wide, and goes off the right side of the page. The part I see is blank, but if I scroll far far right I start to see your text. There is something about the formatting I do not understand, do you have a space at the beginning of your line? I have had a similar thing happen to me occasionally in the past. Anyhow, I believe I can reconstruct your text from the diffs and put it into my page so I can see it, but hold off for a bit, and don't be surprised if you see some weird things happening there for a bit.
Oy! :-( Computers !! Wwheaton (talk) 01:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- OK, I got it. For some reason, there were very long lines of blanks pushing your stuff off to the right. I deleted them, and now I can see your text. I have no idea how they got there. Let me now read over it and think a bit. Meanwhile, you can return to normal "welcome mode" over there. Bill Wwheaton (talk) 01:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Black holes
In the chronologic history of the big bang theory of our universes expansion from a point source to our present chaotic condition I have two questions about the point in time when the volume (presumably spherical) of the universe exceeded the volume that would be the singularity size of a black hole with equivalent mass value. The first one is When? and the second one is Why?WFPMWFPM (talk) 20:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hi again. First thing is, if you have a question, it should go on the article discussion pages, not in the main article pages. We are supposed to be "encyclopedic", you know? I've copied your text above, as I expect it will get deleted from the article space pretty quick.
- Re the subject, if the universe is expanding fast enough, it never gets the news that there is too much mass (way over there on the other side) for it to be able to escape, because the news can only travel at the speed of light. This situation is called a white hole. The older discussion, of more than ten years ago, as to whether the Universe was "open" or "closed" boils down to just that; in the closed case, we would be, now, inside the event horizon, and thus doomed. There is clearly not enough normal matter to do that, I think we now know. But we also know that the geometry is nearly precisely flat (within about 1%) and that there is a lot of mass and energy unaccounted for, maybe 20 times what we can see. See shape of the universe, and stay tuned....
- Re "why", all I can say is "Whaaa??" Good question, but nobody has a clue. Cheers, B Wwheaton (talk) 03:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you again for trying to help me. But my comments were only pertinent to the article category section Black hole sizes and they can delete them or move them as they see fit. But I'm amused that you didn't answer either one of my questions. First there hast to be a time when the proposed size of the universe is equal to its "equivalent mass singularity size" and I'd like to know when that is. Then at that point why cant we apply black hole physics rules? Is there too much kinetic energy? No force of gravity? Whatever. But if we're going to use black hole physics rules to expound now on the future of the universe why cant we be willing to start with the singularity problem which to me is even worse than the Hubble red shift problem. Incidently I've got a book called "The Pictorial Atlas of the Universe" By Kevin Krisciunas and Bill Yenne (Mallard Press) which in both writing and pictures discusses these subject matters. I hope you have access to one. Regards WFPMWFPM (talk) 18:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC) Let's say that the history of the universe is that of the movement of matter from a point of origin (within a 3 dimensional volume of space) on a one way journey to it's ultimate destination and over an indefinite time period. Now there is a lot of latitude for choice of scenarios within this but I like to worry about the sun and its solar system. But I have to develop concepts from the top down in the hierarchy and they have to be logically consistent to avoid problems with inconsistencies. And when you say that the geometry of (possible spacial locations?) is basically flat I think maybe you mean flat at the bottom but I'm not at the bottom, I'm up in one of the 100 billion galaxies that is being moved around by the force of local gravity and it seem to me that the exit to that galaxy would be to the flat bottom with no inclination to move towards any other galaxy. This fouls up the concept of the existence of a universal force of gravitation attraction and makes me sceptical of black hole physics if it cant be applied in the first place. WFPMWFPM (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC). Furthermore I dont like the idea that the original point of location would be at the bottom of a black hole or any other type of singularity. How about the rainstorm analogy where you start with a diffuse cloud of particles (water molecules) and throw in a few Van der Wals forces and a lower temperature and wait ro see what happens. Any programmer will tell you that's easier to program than the big bang concept. And dont worry about how the atoms got up there in the first place because after all, who cares?WFPMWFPM (talk) 01:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Re your first question, the answer would depend on whether or not the universe is open or closed. If closed, then it is and always was a black hole, and its radius was always less than the event horizon radius (only there has still not been time for us to reach the future singularity. If open, then it has never been inside that radius, and never will be. However the question, while still open, has been overtaken by deeper problems about the cosmological constant, dark energy and such; about which we know even less. The second question is teleological and I have no idea (without prejudice...) what it even means. Best, Wwheaton (talk) 01:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hullo! Sounds like we are on the same page re teleology. If you go to the Particle Data Group website, Particle Data Group, you will find that the mean lifetime (to 1/e, not half-life to 1/2) of the neutron in free space is claimed to be 885.7±0.8 s. I don't know exactly how they do that experimentally (maybe with ultra-cold neutrons? I believe they can have such long wavelengths that they are scattered coherently [by many nuclei together, that is] from the walls of some materials with almost 100% reflectivity, so they can be contained in a box for long periods. You may know more about these than I do—it is very interesting, for both "just scientists" and "just engineers"!), but the 110 sigma confidence value makes me naively believe they are pretty sure whoever did it, done it right. High energy solar flares can produce neutrons on the Sun, and both the neutrons themselves (ie, near Earth) and the 2.2 MeV n+p => D capture gammas produced in the solar atmosphere have been observed—I was even involved with an instrument (HEAO 3) that contributed to that. Few make it to Earth directly, because most decay on the way. I doubt these observations constrain the lifetime very well, but the decay does have to be considered (as a function of n energy—the very high energy ones must even live a bit longer due to relativity). Anyhow, that is (a little more than ! ) all I know about the stability of neutrons in free space.
- I also do not know if this has any relevance to dark energy etc, I just think we are almost totally clueless about the subject, a little like the days between the Michelson–Morley experiment and 1905, waiting for Einstein. But, clearly, we are far from being able to answer even your first question, never mind the second one. Cheers, Bill Wwheaton (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] philosophy, ideas, and reality
I noticed your comment on the Philosophy talk page, I think on 5/23? The problem with the suggestion to define philosophy as the "study of ideas", as I see it, is that the definition you suggest is already in the definition, or rather, in the expanded qualification of the definition in the following section. Your particular suggestion, I think, is reduced to how ideas come to be formed, and that seems to be covered a lot in the study of language, which is sort of the area of Analytic Philosophy, and the logical relating of concepts to one another in a "rational" fashion.
In cognitive psychology and language there are philosophical points of view which go back to the basic definitions found at the beginning of the article. See the works of Noam Chomsky and his critics.
In terms of your suggestion of contributing, you might have a place in the metaphysics division (what is the nature of reality?) That is a particular interest of mine. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say, none the less. Richiar (talk) 04:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Alternative Periodic Tables
Hi! could you please tell me what's wrong with my attempt to edit Alternative Periodic Tables. I cant get my references to go to their appropriate locations??????Thank you WFPMWFPM (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)WFPMWFPM (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks
Dear WFPM, Thank you very much for your support in regard to Left Step Periodic Table and the ADOMAH PT. You are absolutely correct. These two tables follow electron configurations better than the IUPAC standard table. In fact, ADOMAH PT is very helpfull when it comes to deriving electron configurations. Have you seen this? Drova (talk) 02:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I left another message for you on my talk.
Drova (talk) 02:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] fixed
I fixed your image links, complicated ain't it :-) Vsmith (talk) 12:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
