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I want to take this map and edit it to use on the Eastern culture page. How do I do this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jim Bart (talk • contribs).
- download full version, save on your computer, edit it, then upload using the 'upload file' command on the left there. Once its uploaded you can put it in the article like this: [[image name|thumb|Image description]] --Astrokey44 04:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Hmm, I think there are a few irregularities with this map. Why, for example, is Greece included, but the rest of Southeastern Europe isn't? Why is Croatia included but Romania isn't? We can look at this as a Western Christian-Eastern Orthodox divide, but then Greece shouldn't be included, and in any case the Western world is not about religion. In Romania, for example, French values, including those of liberalism, were highly-influential in the 19th century, while in Greece these were less pronounced.
Ronline ✉ 09:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, I think there are a few irregularities with this map. Why, for example, is Greece included, but the rest of Southeastern Europe isn't? Why is Croatia included but Romania isn't? We can look at this as a Western Christian-Eastern Orthodox divide, but then Greece shouldn't be included, and in any case the Western world is not about religion. In Romania, for example, French values, including those of liberalism, were highly-influential in the 19th century, while in Greece these were less pronounced.
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I believe that either the map is totally wrong or the definition it represents is totally wrong. Why isn't Romania, a country with western roots, values and a romance language not included as a western civilization? Meanwhile its neighbouring countries with fewer ties to western culture (i.e. Roman culture) are included. This is extremely insulting to Romanians who place their origins at the base of a Roman civilization, which survived in an unforgiving part of Europe. I strongly urge the claimers either to change the map in order to include Romania as a western cultured nation or change the legend (by not defining western culture as stemming from roman culture), in order to correct this rather insulting error. This map does not represent a classical definition of the western world —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.59.199.182 (talk • contribs).
- Romania will be politically and economically, a country of the Western World (starting January 1. 2007), but if you look at the cultural level, differences are high. Renaissance and Englightment had only a limited influence on Romania. Greece can be considered as part of the West because the West was born some 2500 years ago in the Greek states and because it is a EU/NATO member. But today's Greek culture may not be considered a Western culture--Arado 23:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
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- There is a similar debate going on at Image talk:West.png, you can read my response there. In short, I think that Greece and Romania are quite similar in culture, since they share a common modern history as part of the Southeastern European space. While Greece's values may have changed recently as a result of economic growth and European integration, its core culture is quite similar to its neighbouring countries, despite its status in the ancient world. For this reason, I believe that Romania (and perhaps Bulgaria) should also be included in this map. Ronline ✉ 02:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- There is a similar debate going on at Image talk:West.png, you can read my response there. In short, I think that Greece and Romania are quite similar in culture, since they share a common modern history as part of the Southeastern European space. While Greece's values may have changed recently as a result of economic growth and European integration, its core culture is quite similar to its neighbouring countries, despite its status in the ancient world. For this reason, I believe that Romania (and perhaps Bulgaria) should also be included in this map.
- Romania and Bulgaria? :D Yeah lets add Russia also! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.27.208 (talk) 13:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
There is something radically wrong with this map as a definition of western civilization! I won't go into details, but I certainly cannot understand on what grounds the individual countries are included and excluded.Jonmagne 20:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stupid
I think this map is complete nonsense. A "Classical" definition of West that cares about the EU, and much more. --Taraborn 22:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Add Japan and remove South America
I don't see why Japan isn't included in this map. Japan is much more developed than South America. In common term no country in South America is seen as a member of the western world. --80.161.112.42 (talk) 12:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you are confusing "Western world" for "rich countries". --217.132.93.242 (talk) 17:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I disagree that Japan is a Western country, but I agree with the removal of Latin America, for the most part. Latin America is a blend of Western, African, and Indigenous, with a heavier emphasis on each in different areas. Argentina, Uruguay, and perhaps Brazil, for example, are more Western, while Bolivia, Venezuela, and Guatemala are much less Western. Mexico and Chile could go either way... --129.68.111.48 (talk) 17:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Why is this here?
The article is about the varying definitions of the 'Western World' and yet it is headed with this map that purports to any what the western world is! This map should be removed, replaced with another map that represents the varying views together, or replaced with one that represents a specific theory: like the Samuel Huntington Map. 141.166.241.20 (talk) 20:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree with you. I mean, it doesn't even include Turkey. The Eastern Roman Empire was part of the western world. Wasn't it greco-roman enough? Turkish society greatly resembles Greek society. The difference: the religion of the people. Lordmick 12:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
