Talk:War of Jenkins' Ear

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Are historians agreed as to whether or not his ear actually was cut off by the Spanish? --Dante Alighieri 07:38 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The spanish forces in Catagena de indias were 3.600 men (3000 spanish and 600 indian archers)men and not 6.000.

Is it Jenkins's Jenkins' or Jenkin's? It appears to be in there 3 times. I know they're all the same thing, but shouldn't an effort be made to regularize usage, &c?

According to Apostrophe it would be Jenkins's --207.177.67.214 02:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It seems very odd to see the 's' missing at the end. Alpheus 10:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Merge? 2 Declaration of War 3 Map 4 Result

[edit] Merge?

Merge the two - absolutely merge. Bubba73 (talk), 03:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Agree. The two Jenkins ear war articles should be merged - and their sardonic tones should be maintained. A strange war with a strange name. A real oddity of history! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Provocateur (talk • contribs) 1 August 2006

The only difference in the title is the type of apostrophe. Bubba73 (talk), 15:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• War of Jenkins’ Ear
• War of Jenkins' Ear

Merge. Obviously two articles on the same subject. Make War of Jenkins’ Ear a REDIRECT to War of Jenkins' Ear --Grstain | Talk 18:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read them carefully. Is there any material in one that needs to go into the other? Bubba73 (talk), 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge Anagnorisis 00:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Then someone needs to do it. I don't think that I'm knowledgeable enough about the history of the war to do it. I'm only in it because a couple of the battles of it took place near here. Bubba73 (talk), 04:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I did the merge of what was in the two articles. I also added a number of places where we citations, particularly to suppose motivations attributed to various parties' actions.Lisamh 17:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Just read the article and the phrase "in 1738 Jenkins exhibited his pickled ear to the House of Commons, whipping up war fever against Spain" is totally brilliant. War over an ear. Lol. LordHarris 18:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Dont merge: I suggest to read the article: ""Guerra de la oreja de Jenkins"" in Wikipedia in Spanish

[edit] Declaration of War

States that Walpole declared war. But the Prime Minister has no such power, only the monarch. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

That was George II, and as the wiki article on him notes, "As king, he exercised little control over policy in his early reign, the government instead being controlled by Great Britain's first de facto Prime Minister, Sir Robert Walpole."... The situation was a lot like now, I think. One talks about Tony Blair, not Elizabeth II, invading Iraq, for example.

Furius (talk) 12:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map

The map on this page needs to be changed. It isn't in English. --User:Wikipedian1234 February 18th, 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 00:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Result

I don't understand why is said the result of the war was indecisive. In my opinion, England was clearly defeated. I think it should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.144.21.115 (talk) 13:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Its all about spin. Our educational historical establishment has a need, for whatever reason, to be Anglocentric. Thus, English language history books will usually put a false spin any Anglo Spanish or French wars in such a way as to make the Brits appear to be the victors, even when they were actually defeated in war. That is why English language texts will omit all the Spanish victories in the War of Jenkin's Ear and only publish battles like the temporary capture of Porto Bello or the victory in the Battle of The Boody Marsh in the state of Georgia. You are right, however. The War of Jenkin's Ear was quite clearly a Spanish victory. That war not only preserved the American portion of Spain's empire, but it also forced the British to abide by the Asiento treaty and not engage in any illegal trade with the Spanish colonies. The Spanish Coast Guard and Navy continued to ruthlessly supress illegal trade and piracy from British merchants.--Charles A 16:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scipio-62 (talk • contribs)

The main object of the British launching this war was the conquest of the Spanish main and therefore winning control of the resouces and markets of the Spanish empire. For the British it was an emphatic defeat - the sideshow in Georgia notwithstanding. British histories also minimise or are silent on their defeat in South America (1807) and given that the leader of that defence was an officer of a Spanish army (and the said officer was a Frenchman at that - mon dieu!), along with the volunteer militias, it has to be counted as another British defeat to the the Spanish (Dear Lord! we can't have that, can we). Provocateur (talk) 14:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The thing I dispise the most is the myth of "Brittania rules the wave" nonsense. Its all too often promoted by our historical establishment like the History Channel and the like. Its based on high nonsense. It is a fact that Britain had the world's largest navy for a period of about 200 years(1750?-1940s. But it hardly meant thar Britain ruled the waves. If Britain truly ruled the waves there would be no Spanish, French, or Dutch empires. A nation that truly ruled the waves should be able to permanently choke of the sea lanes from competing European empires, and such never happened. Britain actually had a couple of it's large wartime convoys intercepted and seized by Spanish and French navies during the American Revolutionary War, thus crippling Britain's war effort. Where was the Royal Navy back then? I can objectively argue that they(RN) were not really ruling the waves. Thats why I refer to it as spin. The only period where one may argue that "Brittania rules the waves is in the 1800s. But that was only because there was no major international war in the 1800 except for the Napoleonic.--Charles A 13:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scipio-62 (talk • contribs)

Hombre, calmate. Provocateur (talk) 06:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Ex Notatia Victoria!--Charles A 10:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scipio-62 (talk • contribs)