Talk:Walther von Brauchitsch

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[edit] Army or Armed Forces?

It seems there is a confusion here. Was Brauchitsch commander-in-chief of the Army or of the Armed Forces (Wehrmacht, comprising Army, Navy and Air Foce)?

It seems several articles in Wikipedia do not make this distinction. Also, the term "Wehrmacht" is often used to indicate "Army" whereas, as mentioned above, "Wehrmacht" comprises three branches of the German armed forces, and sometimes including SA and SS.

I'm no expert, but I believe it's army. Aaрон Кинни (t) 20:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death date as 1946

What the...? I thought von Brauchitsch died in 1948. I've got sources from Britannica, the Compton reference desk, special anniversaries of 1948, the oxford companion to world war ii and Island farm (complete with an obituary scan from October 1948), and all say he died in 1948. But according to this Wikipedia article it says Von Brauchitsch died in 1946.

Looking at the histories, I see there were 2 changes made in November 2006, by User:84.144.223.154. Because these are 84.144.223.154's only contributions to Wikipedia (don't know if he logged in subsequently), 84.144.223.154 neglected to supply references (violation of numerous policies including WP:CITE, WP:V, WP:NOR), and I have references that say the contrary (84.144.223.154 supplies none. Sure, you can google loads of sites claiming he died in 1946, but then you realise all those sites are just Wikipedia mirrors / used information from Wikipedia). I have to assume that these edits are nothing more than vandalism.

Unfortunately, since then, it appears that many Wikipedians have been brought into this subtle change. User:Jackyd101, apparently duped into believing this was true, changed the category to point to 1946 deaths. A google search now reveals too many sites that believe he died in 1946, and this mis-information leaked into other pages on Wikipedia too (it was only after editing/sourcing Commanders of World War II that I discovered it).

Just in case I'm wrong, I'm giving everyone (particularly 84.144.223.154) a chance to explain themselves. Perhaps there was recent evidence that shows he died in 1946 (Remember, cite your sources. Verifiability, not truth). But if I do not receive an answer by 8th Jan, I'm reverting the change. --Oshah 10:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I was asked to comment because I changed the date of death from 1948 to 1946 a while ago, I think on the category for year of death. I have no information on his date of death but was simply attempting to make sure that the article was consistent in the year given as the article quoted both 1946 and 1948. I used the date at the head of the page as my guiding date, but if it is incorrect then please by all means change it to the correct one. --Jackyd101 11:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kershaw Quotes

Hey, could we get a bit more context than just the 2 adjectives gutless and spineless? It isn't Kershaw didn't (correctly) use that language, but just put in abruptly it kind of makes poor Kershaw sound like he really had it in for Brauchitsch, which I didn't get from reading Nemesis. I bring it up because the old fashioned literature that used to talk up people like Halder really played heavily on how weak Brauchitsch's character, wheras now they're more lumped in together. A minor quibble. I'm sure Kershaw said it and I agree that it's right, it's just a bit decontextualized. 142.177.43.225 05:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)