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Official Wikipedia naming?

Is there any consensus on what the proper WP page name should be? Over the months it has been W.A.L.-E., WALL-E, WAL-E, WALL -E, and now WALL• E. SpikeJones 13:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Both Bob Iger's letter and the title image depict it as "WALL• E". Until we hear otherwise, I support this as the official name. RMS Oceanic 15:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it with or without the extra space near the dot?SpikeJones 16:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
It's hard to determine using the picture alone, but Iger's letter uses the space, so again, I say we use it until otherwise corrected. RMS Oceanic 17:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, if we go by that Reuters article (and who knows that that writer is using as the source material), then the name of the movie would be "Wall-E". JHM is using "Wall E". Disney is using "WALL• E" (if you cut-and-paste from their article), and the graphic that may or may not be real is showing as "WALL•E". As an encyclopedia, can we at least get confirmation on what the name of the film is supposed to be before we start writing too much of the article? SpikeJones 19:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
So.... we've made an official decision on what the WALL-E page is going to be called, then? SpikeJones 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
No idea. jj 02:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, User:Tregoweth just renamed/moved the article, so is that confirmation on anything?SpikeJones 04:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I was just trying to make it easier to type, assuming that Disney was using the bullet for visual appearance, not for actual spelling. It can always be moved back When more information is released. —tregoweth (talk) 05:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Lets use Disney's "WALL• E"! Just look at the logo and that's how you spell it! User:Pixar is 03:12, 17 April 2007

Since most people will be searching with a standard keyboard, would you please show me where the "bullet" key is for the "•"? Most people will search with a dash there, as that's how most places refer to it for now, including the IMDB. It's a naming convention, one that's more intuitive to people than the bullet. We may look at that again closer to the actual film release, but for now, the consensus seems to be to leave it as is. TheRealFennShysa 14:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
On a Mac, its the shift+alt+Q buttons. --David Munch 13:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
A redirect would work fine, people would write Wall-E and be sent to Wall•E automatically. --Stormwatch (talk) 06:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Uh, I'm confused... I'm on a MacBook, and I'm pressing shift, alt, and Q, and this is what I get: Œ. Is there something wrong with my computer? I'm serious. Could someone help me out? One Fried Egg 16:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

alt+8 gives me the • bullet. I suppose it may be different in some foreign keyboard layouts. --Stormwatch (talk) 06:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I just moved the article to this title: WALL·E . This is the correct title, which is being used by imdb (copypasted from there), and by the official webpage aswell. --Kjidel (talk) 12:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Slight problem, which key did you use? You copypasted it? Well that may mean another move using the actual Wiki-keyboard. Alientraveller (talk) 13:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Should we assume that somebody has made this decision for us, almost a year after we began the discussion about it? SpikeJones (talk) 16:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with this "official" usage of the · in the name... Although it may appear that way on the official website, if you look around, it's just used as a stylized hyphen. Note that the release date is shown as "6·27·08" and the movie is being made by "Disney·Pixar". Also, if you look in your browser, when you go to the official website, the title is "WALL-E: Official Site". There's also the issues when using a bullet as the difference between "·" and "•" - that's another redirect we need to implement? And as far as official, Disney's own internal documents are using a hyphen ([1] - See Page 22). The Buy-N-Large mock website (made by Disney/Pixar) is also showing the names of their "other robots" using hyphens (within the text of the articles, although using a bullet as a stylized hyphen at the top of the page when used as a logo). As long as Wikipedia has issues with double-redirects and there is in fact no "·" key on the keyboard, I think the article should be "WALL-E". Redirects are there to help people who may have mistyped the name of an article, they shouldn't be required, and I think there's enough evidence to be shown that the bullet is used as a stylized hyphen. —Fumo7887 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Does the article need to mention that it's a stylized hyphen at all, especially in the first sentence of the lead paragraph? This would be akin to saying that "Se7en (written with leet-speak using a "7" instead of a "v") is a movie thriller starring...". Perhaps a bad example, but the only one that quickly came to mind. Seems like overkill. SpikeJones (talk) 15:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Succession

I've added Toy Story 3 as the Pixar successor to this film, in the succession box. M. Collins 14:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well take it out because up is the successor.

Plot?

I have added the link to JHM that talks about the plot to WALL-E. Should I keep it there? I see that previous additions have been deleted because JHM is a blog, but couldn't this be incorperated into the article? --Bobthemonkey3 16:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

WP's official policy is listed at WP:SPS. Blogs are not considered reliable sources for information from Wikipedia's viewpoint (JHM has been wrong in the past, even a little bit about WALL-E). We *like* JHM, but because of the way JH writes... "the information has been self-published, which means it has not been subject to any independent form of fact-checking." SpikeJones 17:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree it shouldn't be used as a source, but couldn't it be added in there as a "JHM has an artice about the reported plot of this movie, not as plot" entry? It is information about the movie.--Bobthemonkey3 18:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
No, because there are all sorts of blogs that have articles about the movie (valid or not) that would want to be linked as well. Just keep monitoring other 3rd parties (not blogs) for verifiable information that would collaborate what JHM has said, and when you see an indepenent, reputable source that can back up what JHM posted using their own cited research, then the plotline can be added. SpikeJones 18:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the blog seems pretty accurate - if we want a plot here, we HAVE to use the blog as source. Or we should delete the whole Plot section. --Have a nice day. Running 00:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


OR you could just put it under rumored plot.

Same issue. no fact checking. jj 21:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Logo

Which one should we use and why?jj 00:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should use the logo with the dark background instead of the one with the white background. First of all, I don't know enough about either of the logos' fair use problems, so you can disregard my opinion if fair use problems actually do factor in significantly. Fair use problems aside, however, the official logo with the dark background would be the more appropriate image to use. I personally think that it looks better on the dark background, but the phrase "looks better" is subjective. In my humble opinion, it's better to use what is, rather than what we hope should be - the latter would differ from person to person anyway. S@lo 02:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The black on white logo looks better on the page, I believe. According to the image tag, it was created specifically for the site, and at higher resolution, based on the original. Also, based on Wikipedia image use standards, the black on white logo should be the preferred one to use, as it has not been lifted from another site. WP:FU states that Copyrighted images that reasonably can be replaced by free/libre images are not suitable for Wikipedia. The white on black logo is a copyright infringement, the other is not. It's really quite simple, as far as I'm concerned. MikeWazowski 07:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Come on lets use the real "WALL• E" logo! User:Pixar is 03:12, 17 April 2007

Greg Kinnear?

Where exactly does it say that Greg Kinnear will be playing WALL-E? I've already tried to use Google (and Google News) to verify this, but I still didn't find any articles/websites confirming this. I didn't see it in any of the references or external links either. Did I overlook something? S@lo 03:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have not heard anything about Greg Kinnear being in the film, but I have heard the Fred Willard will right here: http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2007/02/27/toon-tuesday-again.aspx don't know if it's true though. Pixar is 04:53, 19 March 2007

As we've said elsewhere, we cannot use JHM as an original reference source for WP articles. You must find an outside reference that (a) is not a self-published blog that doesn't cite sources; (b) does not use other self-published blogs as their source information. This is why we try to stick with official Disney/Pixar released information or media with editorial review and fact-checking to support info included in WP. (We *like* JHM; we just can't use it as a source) SpikeJones 00:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack of the teaser trailer

  • Ok, this gets reverted all the time for some reason, but I'd like to confirm that the soundtrack of the teaser trailer is in no way the original song Brazil, by Ary Barroso, but a famous adaptation of it made by Michael Kamen which was used as sountrack for the Terry Gilliam film Brazil (1985). The typical "typing-machine" adaptation is quite characteristic and unmistakably different from the original song. I think that this is an important point, since, knowing Pixar, the choice of the soundtrack of such a cult film has been made with a purpose. 193.56.37.1 13:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
  • I was meaning Brazil, when I was talking of a cult film. Now, if you call putting the Criterion special edition of Brazil in a DVD player to compare with the soundtrack of the trailer, original research, I think we reach a summit in bad faith. Hektor 11:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The exact arrangement in that trailer is from Michael Kamen's score for BRAZIL, specifically when we first see the offices where Sam Lowry works. It's an instrumental arrangement that uses typewriters as part of the orchestration, and that's hardly the normal version of the song.

Similarity to Vectorman

There was a game called Vectorman for the Sega Genesis that had a similar plot (Earth evacuated so that robots can clean it up). I think it's worth including somewhere in the article, but I'm not sure where it's most appropriate (trivia, plot, etc.). Any suggestions? Omatic 10:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

First, I don't recommend adding anything that's that specific to the plot until the movie comes out. To do otherwise would be crystal-ballism. Second, you need to find a verifable 3rd party reference to support your opinion - otherwise adding that info would be considered original research. SpikeJones 12:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I see someone at Pixar was a big Genesis fan! :D Vectorman was well known and loved in the platform. The Wikipedia article to which it's linked is well worth it. 201.53.134.30 (talk) 09:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Again this is not a forum for general discussion, per WP:TALK. Alientraveller (talk) 10:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

merger

Of course

god yes..


yes...add it to the main page for WALL-E its obviously connected to the movie