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Contents 1 Pictures of dead soldiers 2 Pictures 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Icon-waffen-ss-pic.jpeg 4 Cleanup 5 War crimes 6 War crimes against the Waffen-SS 7 Fair use rationale for Image:4SSNL-PGDA1.jpg 8 Inaccurate statement about Waffen SS participation in the Holocaust. 9 regarding the caption of the recruitment poster

[edit] Pictures of dead soldiers

How does it come, that in nearly every article on world war II, wehrmacht, ss and so on are pictures of dead soldiers. can't we get better picures suited for the topic? i mean i understand the desire to show that during war people die, or that war crimes occured, but this site at least wants to be an encyclopedia... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.155.145.106 (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I deleted the photo of "The dancing Armenians". User Vonones placed it in the articles about the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS. It doesn't belong in any of these. An encyclopedic article should give an overview of a topic. Details like this picture one can and should find in specialized books on the topic. More important and informativ are photos of personalities and equipment (see the discussion about the dead soldier).

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Icon-waffen-ss-pic.jpeg

Image:Icon-waffen-ss-pic.jpeg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 05:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I have gone through the intro and origins trying to remove material that is about the SS, and very interesting, but irrelevant IMHO to evolution of the Waffen-SS. I have done this to shorten the pieces and to keep a tighter focus. Apols to the contributors of great material that i hope is on the SS page instead.

I have also tried to strictly enforce cronology and remove the commenst about the future SS or past SS that occurred often in the text. I have tried to move the material if it wasnt duplicative.

I have tried to remove the duplicative material from these two sections.

Please forgive but this was getting rather long-winded and 'bitty' reflecting a the many informed people who have contributed in many places. Facius 12:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] War crimes

From Polish Wikipedia (http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podgaje_%28wojew%C3%B3dztwo_wielkopolskie%29) :

"W trakcie walk o Wał Pomorski w 1945, w miejscowości Podgaje walczący po stronie niemieckiej żołnierze łotewscy z grupy bojowej "Elster", wchodzący w skład 15 Dywizji Grenadierów SS (1 łotewskiej) dokonali zbrodni na 32 żołnierzach Wojska Polskiego z 4. kompanii 3. pułku piechoty 1 Dywizji WP, którym najpierw skrępowano ręce drutem kolczastym, a następnie wprowadzono do stodoły i spalono żywcem."

During the fight for Pomeranian Wall in 1945, in the village called "Podgaje" (<-- Poland) the Latvian soldiers from the group called "Elster" (Kampfgruppe Elster) which was a part of 15th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Latvian), SS-mans of that division performed a war crime on polish prisoners, burning alive 32 soldiers of Polish Army from 4th company 3rd regiment infantry 1st Division 1AWP in a barn tied up with a barbed wire.

I'm sorry for the bad translation...but I think that you will understand it.

Proofs :

1,0 1,1 Majewski Ryszard: Waffen SS. Mity i rzeczywistość. Krajowa Agencja Wydawnicza, Wrocław, 1983, s. 247. ISBN 83-03-00102-7.

2,0 2,1 Zawilski Apoloniusz: Polskie fronty. Oficyna Wydawnicza Volumen, Warszawa, 1996, s. 463 (tom2). ISBN 83-86857-23-4.

Grzelak, Stańczyk, Zwoliński: Armia Berlinga i Żymierskiego, Warszawa, 2002, ISBN 83-88973-27-4

Polski czyn zbrojny w II wojnie światowej. Wydawnictwo Ministerstwa Obrony Narodowej, Warszawa, 1988, s.531 (tom 3). ISBN 83-11-07038-5.

--Greetings [[User:Krzyzowiec|Krzyzowiec]] (talk) 03:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] War crimes against the Waffen-SS

It appears fair to mention that members/POWs of Waffen-SS units were the frequent object of summary executions and other atrocities either by regular allied troups or so-called "résistance" members regardless of personal responsibility, especially on the Eastern front or in the Balkans. The article should be extended to account for this aspect. --Meudonnais (talk) 10:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:4SSNL-PGDA1.jpg

Image:4SSNL-PGDA1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccurate statement about Waffen SS participation in the Holocaust.

It should be noted that it is untrue to say that the Waffen SS did not participate in the Holocaust while the so-called "regular SS" did. Aftering being wounded, a great many Waffen SS men were assigned duty as concentration camp guards in the rear during their recuperation periods. They would then rotate back to their front-line unit after fully recuperating. For more on this, please see Charles Sydnor's "Soldiers of Destruction." 76.111.6.4 (talk) 03:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] regarding the caption of the recruitment poster

"Vollendetes 17tes Lebensjahr" means you are 17 years old, not 18. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.117.83.13 (talk) 22:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is true. This phrase means the day when someone turn 17. --78.51.106.248 (talk) 18:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)