Talk:Vympel R-23

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[edit] R-24T Midcourse Guidance?

Nice article but there's a nitpicky puzzle it doesn't answer. The R-24T was basically a "beyond visual range" missile, so it makes it questionable that it got a heat seeker lock before launch from a target so far away. That would imply it was launched in the general direction of the target and performed midcourse guidance using a simple autopilot, only obtaining a heat seeker lock at relatively close range. That would make it a sneaky attacker indeed. However, this is just purely semi-informed speculation that could be dead wrong and it would be nice to get some details.

MrG 4.225.210.251 19:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Some of the sources I've seen state that the range of the 23T is "6.5 km". I assume this is the visibility limit, which suggests it didn't have BVR. That said, there is a very distinct statement about "lock-on after launch" for the -24 version, which does suggest that it could be launched BVR anyway. No info on whether or not it had any sort of "real" midcourse though. Maury 13:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I read the article and I found some errors in it. The article says that cuban mig-23MFs shotdown two mirages with the R-23. First, the cubans mig-23s in Angola were MLs and BNs only, no a single mig-23MF was used. Second, the planes that were shotdown with R-24s were only two C-130, the mirage was shotdown with a R-60 AA missile.OverG 05:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)OverG

You probably mean R-23?--Oleg Str 13:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soviets Aquire US Missile before it was even built?

Reading this article the section talking about how the Vympel company aquired an AIM-7M Sparrow III Missile in 1968 seems to be wrong. Everything that I have read says that the AIM-7M was initally field to the US in 1982. So shouldn't the line read that the Soviets aquired an AIM-7E Sparrow in 1968 Southernap 06:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Southern AP

No, the R-23 its a type of air guided missile of about 25km of range. The R-24 is the upgrade of this missile, adding him 5km more in range and with a better guidance system, they are considered as medium range missiles. The R-60 is the short range dedicated of the flogger, and was the one to shoot down the mirage F-1.--OverG (talk) 05:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I delete the informationa about the R-23s being used to shootdown a Mirage F1. The Mirage, like I said later, was shootdown by a R-60 missile, and the mig-23MF were not present in Angola, only the Mig-23ML was.OverG (talk) 03:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)