Talk:Voting at the Eurovision Song Contest

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This article needs to be completely re-written. Following my successful re-write of the main Eurovision article, these sub-articles need the same treatment. Does anyone else want to lend a hand, or is up to me? EuroSong talk 15:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Voting blocs

I don't think there is a "West Europe Block", as mentioned in the article.--90.224.50.167 15:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

There most certainly is not in the case of the UK. We have never had regular voting partners for the last decade or so. Only since Malta's admission to the Eurovision do we have some semblenece of a partner. Harry Hayfield 20:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ireland, maybe --213.37.71.217 (talk) 08:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Is the "bloc vote" map actually based on anything? I assume not. It shows Czech Republic and Slovakia being in the same two-country bloc even though the two have never participated together. Syria and Lebanon are coloured even though they have never participated. It seems nonsense and original research. I'm going to remove it now. 88.113.54.117 (talk) 10:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious

It should be noted, however, that the phrase nul points (nor, for that matter, any other referring to a country not having got points from other country's voters) is never actually read out during the presentation of the Contest. This sentence doesn't mean anything in French.

Is this correct? I thought the phrase was read out. They used to announce, for each country, the number of points awarded to each other country (which is part of the reason the show went on for about twelve hours). If it was no points, they would say "no points" in English and then "nul points" in French. I think.

And "This sentence doesn't mean anything in French"? Well, it's not a "sentence" for a start, and isn't meant to be. But besides that, is "nul points" not French for "no points"?

I think we should be told! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.242.217 (talk) 01:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

  • OK, update... It says here that "nul points" is Franglais, not proper French. But it says here, as an example of what is (or was) actually spoken, "The voting was unanimous: 'Norway - no points - nul points - keine Pünkte'." So if they did say "nul points" then why were they speaking Franglais? And if they didn't say "nul points" then what did they say? BTW, Wikitionary says it's "French, literally ‘nil points’", which is not really consistent with it "not meaning anything in French".
I remember it as "nil point," but the "s" on " nul points" in not correct in this context. Null is a very odd choice, as I don't believe anyone French or English would use the word "Null" in this fashion - ""nil point" is okay in a sports score way, and "zéro point" or maybe "pas de points" would be more common in conversational french. The two most common hosts (the BBC and particularly France Télévisions) would not normally get something so basic wrong. So yes, "nul points" is a sort of Frenglish but the correct phrase isn't. I don't believe it was ever announced by the judges of individual countries, but they used to read out the results table intermittently. If I were to guess, I'd presume it was during the intervals (for ad breaks) where they now cut to overenthusiastic presenters interviewing participants or shouting over the crowd outside. RayBarker (talk) 06:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
'Nul point' would also be correct but very dated french and /could/ be used as more legible in international context over bad telephone lines than the current 'aucun point'. The full sentence would be : 'Nul point n'a été attribué à XXX.' 81.53.228.8 (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Voting blocks map

How come Portugal isn't coloured in yellow like Spain and Andorra? Can someone fix it?