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[edit] Groupism i.e., Caste origin

The origin of groupism i.e., caste seems to have started with people trying to refer to themselves as one group. There was no divisions and sub divisions until different people started competing for the same resources and had to organize themselves into groups to improve their chances in competing.

Lathead 12:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subdivision origin

Another reason for groupism came from the profession followed by the differnt groups. As people changed professions, they also had to change names to reflect those professions. However they needed to differentiate themselves from people who were already using those professional names. So as people took up farming they had to call themselves Vellala. However since other groups were using Vellala as title, different groups with additional names were created. Thus were created the various groups of Vellala.

Lathead 9:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kempe Gowda

Hi, Too much emphasis on Kempe Gowda , when he has not done anything great apart from building the so called 4 towers in bangalore. It is not fair to emphasise too much on him or the other so called rulers of yelhanka which was just a small part of the mighty vijayanagar empire. Hi, I am a Kongu Vellalar and the creator of kongu Vellalar page.Thank u for noting the info and please do e mail to PONDHEEPANKAR@YAHOO.COM for more of our common heritage

[edit] Tamil origins?

Some families of Okkaligas might have been identified with Tamils. However, it is ridiculous to attest that origin to entire Okkaliga community in Karnataka. In fact, the title gowda could be found among Tuluvas too. Also, there is a small community of Gowdas in Tulu Nadu that speak Are Bhashe, a dialect of Kannada. If one observe South Dravidian language tree Tulu branched the earliest before Tamil-Kannada. So Gowdas or Okkaligas were there in Karnataka before their emergence in Tamil Nadu. I'm deleting such propagandist material from the article.

Manjunatha (17 Apr 2006)

This sentence has been in the article from a long time and is found in other reference materials in the internet. Although what you might be saying is partially or fully true. Before brading statements as Propagandist and unilaterally removing items. Please discuss or it will only lead to edit wars 64.201.162.1 19:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

“Gowda is a low ranking agriculturist caste group that typically exhibits the Dravidian socio-cultural characteristic of consanguineous marriage. It is believed to have moved in from the adjoining area of Tamil Nadu.”
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=515297RaveenS 13:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The above cited paper has this: "Though the Gowda is known to have moved in to Karnataka from the adjoining area of Tamil Nadu, our study reveals that Gowda cluster with the studied populations and not with Tamil groups." in the DISCUSSION section. This also challenges the generalizing statement about Gowdas having migrated wholly from Tamil Nadu.