Talk:Voiced bilabial fricative
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[edit] [Bilabial approximate the] Same as the Bilabial voiced Fricative?
Some pages on wikipedia list this [Bilabial approximate] sound as being the same as the Bilabial voiced Fricative, while others list it [Bilabial approximate] as a separate sound, and the IPA template has no symbol yet its location is not grayed out, implying that it is a producible sound. Since the IPA page listed it as a sound separate from the Bilabial voiced Fricative, I assumed it was a separate sound.--Blkgardner (talk) 02:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- I added the material in brackets to my original comments to make them understandable after the move.--Blkgardner (talk) 02:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- No languages contrast the bilabial approximant with the bilabial fricative. It's the same with the dental fricative and approximant. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 03:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Should this article atleast mention that the voiced bilabial fricative can also be an approximant? I think most of the similar pages do. Also, is there any consensus on formatting noncontrasted phonemes? The symbols for the Voiced uvular fricative. Voiced pharyngeal fricative, and Voiced epiglottal fricative stretch over the the fricative and approximant column.--Blkgardner (talk) 02:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see a problem with mentioning it somehow. What do you mean by "formatting noncontrasted phonemes"? As far as {{consonants}} is concerned, I've thought that having the overlap for bilabial and dental fricative/approximant was better but I've been reverted. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 04:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Should this article atleast mention that the voiced bilabial fricative can also be an approximant? I think most of the similar pages do. Also, is there any consensus on formatting noncontrasted phonemes? The symbols for the Voiced uvular fricative. Voiced pharyngeal fricative, and Voiced epiglottal fricative stretch over the the fricative and approximant column.--Blkgardner (talk) 02:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- No languages contrast the bilabial approximant with the bilabial fricative. It's the same with the dental fricative and approximant. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 03:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
