Talk:Vision Quest

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[edit] Frank Jasper

There is nothing to discuss. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Jasper shows clearly that the article from which this information was transplanted was deleted because the person is not notable and the information is not verified by reliable sources. Chamber of Commerce listings are not reliable sources. Blogs are not reliable sources. Sticking the information in this article is nothing but an attempt to do an end-run around a deletion decision that the editor disagrees with. Even if reliable sources were magically found for this information, it would not belong in the article for the film. Film articles do not contain large biographical sections for the individual actors who appear in them. The information completely unbalances the article. The editor has been advised at least twice that he may maintain the information on his user page but rather than keep it there he is instead choosing to deal with his obvious ownership issues as the writer of the deleted article by disruptively reverting the article to restore it, now in violation of WP:3RR. Otto4711 01:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Otto,

You're wrong on so many levels on this issue. First off, go back and check the discussion regarding the AfD for Frank Jasper. You'll note that, of those people who voted for the article to be deleted, NOBODY (did you hear me correctly - NOBODY) except YOU cited lack of reliable sources as being the reason they were voting for its deletion.

Your primary assertion can be proven incorrect by simply checking the discussion. Sorry. Facts don't lie.

Second, if you go back and count the actual votes (not including your comments and my comments), there were only 5 people who voted for its deletion and 4 people who voted for its inclusion. Hardly an overwhelming majority nor a consensus according to Wiki rules. Nontheless, the article was deleted and I accepted it. And what was the reasoning? Because people said Jasper was not noteworthy enough. Perhaps it didn't deserve its own article, so be it. I accepted it and moved on. But I assert that the movie where Jasper made his name is the exact proper place for the inclusion of this information. Go and read up on some movie articles in between your attempts to have articles deleted. Behind the scenes information like what I have included about the actors in movies is frequently included in Wiki articles.

And where are you coming from with this whole "the information completely unbalances the article"? Seriously, do you just make this stuff up? Are you an English teacher or something? Are we being graded on aesthetics, now? You seem to have a penchant for trying to ensure that things stay off of Wikipedia, except things that you like. (Like Darrin Powers :) Why don't you try to be a little productive and try to build Wikipedia and start creating and editing some articles instead of meddling in other people's interests and tearing stuff down?

And finally, until somebody makes you and Admin, please try to get off your high horse. All editors have just as much of a right to add or delete information as the next one. Perhaps I consider your actions to be disruptive to this article. Cuts both ways, champ. Mister Jinxy 21:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

• I suggest you review the AFD: Also there are not any verifiable sources listed (blogs definitely don't count). posted by Cyrus Andiron; Sources include blog entries from his patients? posted by janejellyroll; IMDB strives to have an entry on everyone who's ever been on film, so they are no indication of notability. A chamber of commerce entry exists for every business in any nation that maintains such records; obviously not every business is notable so this is no indication of notability either. Blog mentions are not considered reliable sources and are not usable for meeting notabilty criteria either. posted by coelacan. Truth be told, however, the subject must be covered significantly by independent, third-party sources or he doesn't belong on Wikipedia. posted by Tractorkingsfan. Every person wanting the article deleted noted the sourcing issues.
• Regardless of how other film articles handle sourced information, the fact still remains that the reliable sources for the information you want to add do not exist. Blog entries are not reliable sources. The Chamber of Commerce is not a reliable source. Your personal knowledge of the person is not a reliable source. Material that is not reliably sourced, especially material about living people, is to be removed. You can, however, keep the information on your own personal page and no one will say a word about it. Otto4711 22:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Otto, Nah, I'll keep the information where people can see it. Right here. Mister Jinxy 00:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Vision quest.jpg

Image:Vision quest.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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BetacommandBot 11:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Vision quest.jpg

Image:Vision quest.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 03:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)