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Hmm....

Any thoughts? --jonny-mt 08:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

In reference to mushroom clouds

Thanks. Oh by the way, the swiss cheese comment on your user page made me spit up my coffee all over my laptop. It was worth it.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections

The WikiProject Films coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect five coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by March 28! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 09:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAWAII Newsletter!

Hi, I am inviting you to participate in the WikiProject Hawaii newsletter. I would appreciate it if you helped! See you around! – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 06:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply to the Reply of The WikiProject Newsletter

Wow, I'm glad that you are able to help! I think I need all the help I can get, considering this is the first newsletter on Wikipedia I've created! Cheers! – The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 01:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Not sure where to leave this, but...

I just noticed that you greatly improved Endemism in the Hawaiian Islands. For this long-needed edit, you get a WikiCookie!
I just noticed that you greatly improved Endemism in the Hawaiian Islands. For this long-needed edit, you get a WikiCookie!

Happy editing, SeanMD80talk | contribs 21:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure

I don't know anything about Hawaiian Music, so I won't be of any use there, but I would definitely help out with the Hawaiian Wikiproject, seeing as I am already a member. Most of my contributions have been to the NWHI articles, so I could surely be of help to the National Monument's article and Northwestern Hawaiian Islands.

And, I don't know how to donate it to you, but if you need it you can take my reserve sign award. SeanMD80talk | contribs 03:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Hawaii Newsletter

Thank you for your amazing suggestions! I have incorporated some of them into the newsletter (see it at User:The Obento Musubi/Sandbox). I have officially designated you editor of the newsletter, because your ideas have shown that you can spice up the newsletter a lot. Happy editing! –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 04:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't think I'm going to touch it anymore for now. All feedback is welcome! By the way, I didn't know how to effectively merge SeanMD80's commentary to the first paragraph. :) –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 05:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I'm leaving you so many messages. It's nearly done, and I added an image of a Laysan Duck mother with her little ducklings. Kawaii!! –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 06:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Will do. Hey, try not to make it too short, because I want it to be as it is now; both columns meet at the same place. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 07:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

YesY Done! –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 07:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it would be very helpful if you could give me more examples. By the way, you can see the current current one at WP:WikiProject Hawaii/Outreach/Newsletter/April 2008. I decided it shall be for April; May is too far in the future, and I know we can get it done by April. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 08:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The Newsletter Again

Hey, feel free to make any changes you want. I'm going to be busy today, so I won't have time to make all of the edits, but please do whatever you feel is necessary. Cheers!

By the way, please remind me to make the awards for the collaborators. Thanks! –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 18:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

RfA

The Obento Musubi would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact The Obento Musubi to accept or decline the nomination. A page will then be for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Viriditas . If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

Hmm...

I guess I must respect your wishes. My, you are very humble! –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 00:18, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

So, who's going to interview Mr. Jonny? You or me? I certainly know you know what you're doing. You know, if you ever did want to become an admin, you could... easily. And, plus, adminship is not a big deal, right? –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 08:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
AND... I updated the whole template. The empty space on the first column will be dedicated to the interview. I am going to move the left column to the right column, and vice versa. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 08:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Whoa... wait. Featured portal status? We need to try hard for that, but I know we can do it. So, do you like it better now? The big empty text on the right side will be replaced with the interview with Jonny. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 08:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I might get to that tomorrow or tonight. It depends. I'm glad you have so many great suggestions! It's under construction, but I think it's coming along great. :) –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 09:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if you know, but I have you, Jonny, and Sean all credited as editors, although I think I'm going to move you up to an editor-in-chief. Of course, without your help, this could not have been at all possible. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 09:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Do you like the lines? I think it adds something to the whole thing, but I'm not sure. If not, the only lines I'll keep will be under "Members' Corner" and the second panel thingy. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 09:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, puh-leez! You are way too humble. I swear, if I had to guess, I'd guess that you either lived in Hawaii, or are currently living here. OR... you probably have ties to Hawaii. Am I right? –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 09:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
I refuse to let you be anything less than editor in chief. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 09:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
If you insist, I must follow your wishes. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 20:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

List of English words of Hawaiian origin

Hi, Viriditas, I think that this article should be the focus (or part of a focus) for May's issue. I've been working on it, and I would like your help. I think May can be dedicated to lists of WikiProject Hawaii. You? –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 00:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Laysan

Well, I brought good old Laysan up to B-status recently, and I plan to submit it for GA status after a few tweaks tomorrow. For the record, Laysan is now longer than Oahu. SeanMD80talk | contribs 03:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:Psiphon.jpg

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Computer problems

My computer is broken until I can get it fixed over the weekend, so I won't be available to edit quite as much, but I will still be able to do tstuff. Juts not as much. SeanMD80talk | contribs 12:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Mahalo

Well, if that's not beating the buzzer then I don't know what is. Thank you for your kind words--I just hope I'll be able to live up to your expectations :) --jonny-mt 16:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Prehistoric Hawaii

Native Hawaiian oral histories mostly only provide us with information about the latest periods of Hawaiian pre-history and I am not intending to replace Ancient Hawaii with Prehistoric Hawaii actually I want to keep ancient Hawaii on this wiki because it describes the culture of the Native Hawaiians just before European contact in depth while as the future article Prehistoric Hawaii does not focus on any particular time in Pre contact Hawaii and gives a brief summary of each period - maybe in the future when I am done working on Paleolithic and Prehistoric Hawaii I can do articles on the other periods as well.--Fang 23 (talk) 13:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I changed the sentence to Due to a lack of written records from this time period, nearly all of our knowledge of prehistoric Hawaiian society comes from archeology and Native Hawaiian oral histories to make it more accurate also i might not be able to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii any time soon because I am currently busy in both real life and in improving the article Paleolithic (I’ve improved the article Paleolithic from this to its current state and I still am working on it).--Fang 23 (talk) 17:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC

A little while, no see!

Hello again! Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner; I had no internet connection from the 23rd to now because I was on vacation. How are you? How is the newsletter coming? Is it ready to be sent out to all of the members? –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 01:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue I - April 2008

Aloha. The April 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 15:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Prehistoric Hawaii

I changed the sentence to Due to a lack of written records from this time period, nearly all of our knowledge of prehistoric Hawaiian society comes from archeology and Native Hawaiian oral histories to make it more accurate also i might not be able to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii any time soon because I am currently busy in both real life and in improving the article Paleolithic (I’ve improved the article Paleolithic from this to its current state and I still am working on it).--Fang 23 (talk) 17:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Cuisine of Hawaii

Sorry for the long break from the article - due to my DYK work - but now I am staring at the article again. Are you still interested in it? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I wasn't aware of the good chef's idea. Can you tell me a bit more? Actually the dish section has been a real headache to me; I don't know what to do with it. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh ok, now I just refreshed my memory by looking at the old comments on the article's talk page. I think it is a good idea to split. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

re:Hippie

I was pleasantly surprised to see how good the hippie article was otherwise, so kudos on that. I would first suggest following the steps at Dispute resolution. If it's really only between the two of you, use Third opinion. If that fails, I would bring up the content to be removed via Request for Comment made before you attempt to remove it again. Remember, The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material! If at any time he violates either the 3RR or WP:NPA, you can bring it up at the forums talked about in those pages. The way to handle personal attacks is to be more civil than those who attack you. It will get things solved faster, and look much better if you have to bring it to the attention of administrators. VanTucky 21:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not really how it works, unless you reach the point of filing for Mediation, which somewhat of a last resort. VanTucky 03:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I think the important thing to understand that acting like a victim, and saying things like "why is the system made to penalize me?" makes an admin who you might ask for help (fyi: I'm not one, or else I'd just step in) want to up-chuck. They get people like that every day, and it sounds like whining. Stick to the content in question. In a very similar dispute I had not long ago, admin Samir was extremely patient and helpful, facilitating a discussion. You might make a talk message to him about the article. If you make efforts to engage in a polite, consensus-building discussion, and all the other person does is make reverts and personal attacks, then admins will see this if you're persistent. I feel your pain, but you just need to be patient and remember it's still just a Wikipedia article, not the end of the world. Nothing is permanent on a wiki. VanTucky 04:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind my butting in, I just noticed this discussion at VT's talk page. If there really is a conflict about content, the steps outlined in the dispute resolution process (explained very well by VT above, I won't repeat) really are the best and maybe only way to deal with it. I think you will find that people will be more willing to help if they see that someone is demonstrating a desire to work within the (very loose) confines of a system that has been set up precisely to deal with the kind of situation you describe. I wish you the best! -Pete (talk) 04:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films March 2008 Newsletter

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'Opaeka'a Falls

After using what material I could fine I wrote as much as I could on 'Opaeka'a Falls. (I'll tweek it some more). However, the DYK rules (last time I looked) were that a stub must be expanded five-fold (they have argued about this) within the five days to be eligible for DYK. This article was 1,134 bytes when I started and is now 3,728 bytes so I would have to get another 3,000 bytes. Don't know it that can be done. I might be able to expand the geology stuff. That article was interesting as I have been to than island and can really image it. Regards, Mattisse (Talk) 23:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, WP:HAWAII

Hi there, I will work on WikiProject Hawaii stuff after the MfD stuff regarding secret pages closes. Please feel free to get started without me, but if you need my help, by all means, please let me know. What's the plan for May? I found someone who's willing to write a few things for us. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 07:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

AWB

Hey I meant to ask, did you ever unload all your AutoWiki plugins to see if that resolved the problem you were having? --MPerel 05:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK article

I think you should get your article submitted, It has to be a five-fold increase of the article within five days. If you get it submitted you can still improve it, but without worrying about the ticking clock. Regards, Mattisse (Talk) 15:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I added an alternative hoos suggestion to your DYK, but I thing yours is better. Once I started construction the hook, I realized the subject was way more complicated than I though! Mattisse (Talk) 21:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

I have an idea for June's. How about Hawaiian music? I started a page, Kalapana (not to be confused with the city on the Big Island), and another edited it extensively. I think I will submit it to DYK!! –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 09:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I will try. I will do the blank template now. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 09:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
No, I haven't, but I'll probably take a look at it tomorrow. I'm very, very busy. Sorry! Goodnight! –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 10:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Hawaii requested photographs

Hi Viriditas. I appologize if I accidently depopulated a category that Wikiproject Hawaii was using to keep track of Hawaii topic related articles needing images. I would be happy to repopulate a categroy for that purpose. Photo requests for articles can be categorized as both topic specific (Wikiproject list tracking) and place specific (the counties of the United States). In fact, if you look at Wikipedia:Requested pictures, article talk pages can include many multiple photo request categories, such as Architecture, The Arts, History, People, Places, Science, Society, Technology, and the subcategories listed there. "Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in ..." is used as a place photo matching service for Wikipedians living in a particular U.S. county to let them know that someone would like them to take a photo in that area. Category:Hawaii articles needing images is a great way to keep track Wikiproject Hawaii needs. Again, I appologize for editing Template:WPHawaii. I should not have made changes that impacted Wikiproject Hawaii. Best. GregManninLB (talk) 14:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Again, sorry for making the changes I did to Wikiproject Hawaii. I had no intent in doing that, I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time but, looking back, that's what I did by editing Wikiproject Hawaii's template. I fixed Template:WPHawaii Sidebar as well. GregManninLB (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Category:Hawaii articles needing images

The Category was tagged by GregManninLB for speedy deletion as housekeeping. As the category was depopulated when he tagged it, I assumed good faith that it was moved to a separate name, so I deleted it. Clearly that was a goof on my part. It doesn't seem like a category that would normally be empty though. In either case I'll be more careful next time. Wizardman 16:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

shared!

Updated DYK query On 6 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Amaranthus brownii, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 11:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!

Congrats on the DYK. Now you can take the pigweed out! –Mattisse (Talk) 12:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you know of online resources for Coconut Island? Everything I could find was either already in the article or on the Institute there. –Mattisse (Talk) 13:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Instead I wrote Hawai`i Institute of Marine Biology but I am confused about something. Is it in the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands? Some sources say it is, but if it is near Honolulu how could it be? –Mattisse (Talk) 20:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello! --Borris the Big Brown Buffalo (talk) 14:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Atyoida bisulcata

I looked at the plant references Do you think I could do an article on this subject? I don't know much about plants. Maybe I will look at the references you supplied for Coconut Island. I got my DYK. Does Hawaii keep a DYK count? (Karnataka, India does with a whole progression from DYK's to GA, To FA) –Mattisse (Talk) 19:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Hawai`i Institute of Marine Biology

They had an argument on the DYK page if the Hawai`i Institute of Marine Biology was the only one in the world to be built on a coral. Some thought "in the world" was redundant! Well, maybe. I am going to finish Hawaiian Islands Humpback Whale National Marine Sanctuary and then move on to Coconut Island. I should go over to your Hawaiian Portal. (I'm not Hawaiian). Do you have Hawaiian news there , etc.? –Mattisse (Talk) 00:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

your comment

On my talk page you refer to Mattisse as "Her" ... do you know for a fact that Mattisse is female or are you assuming? If so I have been mis attributing her (in this case) to being male ie "he" etc , making me wonder if she has been seeing that as an insult?       Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 01:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm ... do you think you could find out? I would ask him/her ... but I am sure he/she would interpret my question in the wrong way considering our "past history". In an odd/hard to explain/maybe sexist? way ... I guess it does make me feel bad if she/he were possibly a female in the way that some of our arguments have played out.       Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 02:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiian Islands Humpback Whale National Marine Sanctuary

I nominated it for DYK for April 6. If you can fix it up, please do, as I am having trouble concentrating. –Mattisse (Talk) 00:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Hi I have read Editor2020 talk page. You made good points. Editor2020 has remove categories from New Thought, Unity and Religious Science. He has since convinced another user Harfn about the use of Categories. Can you take a look.JGG59 (talk) 14:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

About whales

Thank's for fixing the hook. Your's is much better. My brain got fried and still feels fried to day. Hope I gain regain my ability to edit. Maybe thats to you I will. Regards, –Mattisse (Talk) 14:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Whales

Thanks for fixing up the article (although some of the wording moved it back to copyvio, probably not a big deak). I guess you can tell my heart is not in it any more, as I am too stressed out. Maybe the desire to edit again will return, perhaps. –Mattisse (Talk) 22:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIII - April 2008

The April 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 23:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

399 to go

We are almost done, Category:Articles lacking sources from June 2006 is down to less the 400 articles to find references for. I would like to thank you for listing yourself as a volunteer at Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles and would like to take this opportunity to invite you to visit the project again and work on getting the last few articles referenced. We started with 5,572 and we are in the home stretch, please come and try to do a couple a day and we can finish it up in no time. Jeepday (talk) 02:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Prehistoric Hawaii

Hi Viriditas, been on a Wikibreak for a bit but saw your message on my talk page. Is your question about the Prehistoric Hawaii article still active or has it been resolved satisfactorily? I've only spent about 2 minutes looking (and thinking) about this, but my first reaction is that I don't have an issue with it. I think a separate treatment of what is known from archaeological evidence, versus another that perhaps combines that with the oral tradition side of the story seems acceptable -- i.e. they complement rather than clash if you ask me, esp. since sometimes it's hard to separate out what statement comes from what tradition, and they both have claims to authority. Sometimes you feel like a Coke, sometimes a Pepsi... My two cents. Cheers, Arjuna (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Response at my talk

Response at my talk Jeepday (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Coconut Isltnd

I though you sent me a link to sources on Coconut Island for an article but I can't seem to find that link. Was it on your talk page, maybe? –Mattisse (Talk) 19:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Flicters

Maybe you could explain FlickerS to me. Can a person just join and use the pictures, or do you have to give photos in return? –Mattisse (Talk) 23:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Mahalo

Viriditas, thanks again for your help with the archiving on my talk page. Much appreciated! Aloha, Arjuna (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It's that time of the month again

We should start the next edition now. I'm a bit free-er now, so I can help you and everybody else with the newsletter. What should I start with? – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 02:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I started a sketch template for next month's newsletter, and you can see it at WP:WikiProject Hawaii/Outreach/Newsletter/May 2008. Message me back about what's happening, and I'd love feedback! – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your edits to Durian... I found it disturbing that many weblinks go dead quickly. Another reason why I prefer offline sources. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Joined WP Hawaii

Mahalo for asking me to join. Not sure how much extra I can do but at least most of what I have been doing will fall under this. Mahalo too for all your good work here. Makana Chai (talk) 19:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

List of islets of Caroline Island

You suggested that I nominate List of islets of Caroline Island as a featured list candidate; after some improvements, I've done so. Thanks! -- Sethant (talk) 20:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

My old friend, Viri, thank you very much for continuing to keep an eye on my userspace and for reverting the vandalism so quickly. You've been watching my back for nearly three years now and I do appreciate it very much. I hope that you and your family are well, Viri. All the best my friend. Cheers, Sarah 17:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

My Hawaiian Watch List

Thanks for asking! Here's what I'm watching right now: Ali'i, Cuisine of Hawaii, Duke Kahanamoku, Haole, Hawaiian language, Heiau, Ho'oponopono, Hula, Huna, Kahuna, Lomilomi massage, Makana Risser Chai, Mary Kawena Pukui, Massage (for lomilomi only - the whole thing is too much), Max Freedom Long, Morrnah Simeona, Rima Morrell, Types of massage (lomilomi)

Let me know if there is anything else I should be watching or anything else I should know. Mahalo Makana Chai (talk) 05:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the info. Auwe! Plenty work! I'm adding Hawaiian religion and virtually all the Hawaiiana sub-categories to my watchlist. As for cuisine, I just know a little about pre-contact, and that section is pretty good now. I cant help with current - I don't recognize half the food at any pa'ina. Makana Chai (talk) 02:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I started in on a couple of things. I looked at the newsletter and had a thought. If you're including tapu, then how about tattoo? Also, not sure how to change what is listed in a category. Liberty House and Shirokiya should not be in Hawaiiana, IMHO. Makana Chai (talk) 06:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

personal comments removed

I removed a comment that you made about other editor [1]. Your comment borders on a personal attack, which is not allowed by policy WP:NPA and guideline Wikipedia:TALK#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable. Please try to keep your cool and discuss the other editor's edits and not their personalities --Enric Naval (talk) 09:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability

Notability is a policy not a guideline. Please ensure all articles without notability have the {{notability}} tag. If notability cannot be established, the article is more likely to be considered for redirection, merge or ultimately deletion, per Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. SunCreator (talk) 23:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability is a guideline not a policy. Try actually reading it: WP:N. Viriditas (talk) 23:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
You are correct, as was checking WP:NOT rather then WP:N by mistake! SunCreator (talk) 23:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Klaatu baraada nikto

My issue was whether the phrase was notable enough to have its own article. Merely being mentioned lots of times in the media doesn't make a phrase notable enough for its own article. I still wonder whether or not it should have its own article, but seeing that you're making an effort to improve the article and show that the phrase is notable and encyclopedic, I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt and not pursue the matter for now. However, I'm hoping that this article will become soemthing more than just a list of all the times the phrase has ever been uttered because, as the article stands right now, it's worthy of being nominated for deletion. Thanks for understanding! --Hnsampat (talk) 01:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying that I don't like the article or that I want to see it deleted. (FYI, the result of the AfD was "no consensus," not "keep," which does make a difference.) What I am saying is that the article has no real content other than a long list of everytime the phrase has ever been uttered. So, right now, it can be argued that the article is nothing more than an indiscriminate list. However, I think you're on the right track and the article can be improved. So, I'm encouraging you to keep doing what you're doing. :) --Hnsampat (talk) 01:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
In that case, I'll go ahead and restore the "unencyclopedic" and "notability" tags (since I dispute whether the phrase is encyclopedic or notable enough to have its own article) and we'll let other editors who have a stronger interest in the article address those concerns. If the article doesn't improve after some time, it may get nominated for deletion. We'll take things slowly. --Hnsampat (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Bibliography of Philip K. Dick#Lede

Hello. On the request of Ed Fitzgerald, I have evaluated some aspects of your recent conflict with him. I have no opinion on the issue, but I find your comments in the thread linked to above to be needlessly personally aggressive and I would ask you to tone it down a bit. Both of you should focus on the editorial issue at hand, not on any personal issues you might have with each other. Please consider also not to issue templated warnings to established editors in the future, because some (not I) perceive this practice to be rude. Best, Sandstein (talk) 07:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: Specifically, this edit is out of line, as it amounts to a threat of edit warring. I'll be watching the article for a limited period of time and may decide to block any editor engaging in edit warring. Sandstein (talk) 08:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

user:hopiakuta/_¡¿_doppelgänger_:_Please_do_not_delete_this_evidence_of_wikipedia_racism,_wikiracism,_wæklypædia._Thank_You.

I do not know how to respond.

Thank You,

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WikiProject Hawaii Newsletter (again)

Greetings, Viriditas! It's time again to work on the newsletter. All ideas are appreciated; I'd just like to keep communication flowing between us. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 06:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the congrats! Yeah, I do need your help. I've been so busy with school, and I'm sick right now, and I know I can't do this by myself. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 16:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for wishing me good health. I'm feeling better, and I have no fever. Anyway, I will try to get working on the newsletter, although I know that I probably won't be able to work on the June newsletter. The whole month, I will need to catch up, study for finals, and I think I'm pretty busy. The July newsletter should be okay, though, 'cause school would be done. Just letting you know in advance. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 00:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
It sounds very good to me. I'm sorry I can't help. Fever just came back, and I'm coughing like there's no tomorrow. I feel terrible. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 17:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

No, thank you!

Thank you so much for fixing up the references on the aloha page. I apologize, I am so focused on content I forget about wikifying. Hope you're feeling better. Makana Chai (talk) 07:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Kavebear

Hi, I have been recently writing articles about descendant of Kamehameha the Great's brother Kalokuokamaile since the internet simply has so little about it. I created the article House of Keoua Nui by pasting the article of House of Kawananakoa and adding a few changes here and there without changing the basic format. I a little confused of what to really call it should it be House of Laanui, which is the way it is right now, or House of Keoua Nui or House of Kalokuokamaile. I apologize about the edits I did to User:Nnythm's edit on Robert Kalanikupuapaikalaninui Wilcox II. I have replied to him saying about my habit of not using the edit summary which only use in rare occassions.KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Colors

I modified Template:Infobox Hawaiian Royalty so it was almost like Template:Infobox British Royalty with the exception of the Kuhina Nui slot. Eventhough I added the Kuhina Nui slot it does not show up in Kamehameha II when I enter it in. Also do you know the code name for the colors on the infoboxes because I can't figure it out. KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Merging

The article Pāpā and Papahanaumoku referred to the same goddess both are wife of Wakea and the Hawaiian Earth Mother. I think there was probably a mistake. I think they should be mergedKAVEBEAR (talk) 02:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Puppetry?

I'll give him a reasonable time to answer, i.e. sometime today, then I'll scratch out or delete or whatever seems appropriate, if necessary; probably delete, as it's off-topic anyway. Just to be clear, I already have rollback privilege, he simply questioned whether I should have gotten it, and it was a fair complaint, since I had crossed the 3RR line with him earlier this year. Rollback, in fact, is simply a keystroke-saver, nothing more, unless I'm overlooking something. It comes in handy quickly zapping the many vandalisms I run into daily on articles that I watch (which is too long a list at this point). Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he hasn't been on yet today, but I'll go ahead and delete. I got your attention, anyway. Be aware that I hardly ever suffer "hurt feelings" by anything anyone says here. I just don't like being mis-characterized. If there is anything out there, he'll let me know, and if not, then "dat's dat". P.S. I'm not watching those article pages anymore, as the questions I had about them have been answered. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome menu template

Hi,

Per your suggestion a while back, I'm using the {{WelcomeMenu}} template. Twice I've added it, and twice it's come up with odd substitution problems: [2] and [3]. I'm confused, and am curious what is up with that! And since you suggested using the template, you're the one I came to with my problem : ) Thanks, WLU (talk) 19:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, never mind, it's a subst: problem! Now it's the Best Template Evar! Thanks. WLU (talk) 19:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
You may not think it's funny, you may not have any idea what I'm talking about, but check out the template used in the footnotes section [4]. WLU (talk) 20:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Ed's RfC

Much obliged to you for your work on Ed's RfC over the past few hours. Well rescued. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, very good selective use of diffs. I especially liked your retelling of the "Leon" story - good stuff. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 21:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Update

How's the newsletter coming? I'll check on it soon, make some minor edits. Could you also ID the flower on my userpage? I took it a couple of years ago, but I don't know what it is. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 19:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Wow, that was pretty quick; I didn't expect that at all! Now I remember where I took it. I took it at a place called Gaylord's on Kauai, where we had a continental breakfast. Cheers! – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 18:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Maybe you'll relate with me (or not), but the vog here is killing me. Have you heard about Halemaumau and Kilauea? Geez, there's so much vog, and with my asthma, that can't be good. So... I'm still coughing. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 08:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a great idea. It's clearing for us too. It must've been absolutely horrifying on Maui. But, yeah, it's the worst I've ever experienced. Do you want to do a rush copy of the May newsletter about this, or should we save it for June? – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 17:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Drug Policy

I would like to invite you to join WikiProject Drug Policy. My hope is that this project will be able to consolidate and organize drug policy-related articles into a coherent set and coordinate efforts to bring some core articles to featured level. Chin Chill-A Eat Mor Rodents (talk) 18:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

2 things

Toddst1 (talk) 07:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

AWB for newsletter

Am I running AWB this month for the newsletter delivery? I know I've been barely involved so far on it but I'm happy to do it and would like the task, plus I'm not encountering the glitch that you're having problems with. If you want me to do it, let me know which evening this week I should run it so we can coordinate together to do it. --MPerel 07:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, let me know when it's ready and I'll deliver : ) --MPerel 05:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Admin Coaching

I did participate in it. Sadly, the coach I got wasn't very kind to me, and retired from admin coaching (after like a month after starting). I think you would make a wonderful admin coach... if you were an admin. Thank you for helping me so much. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 02:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorta indifferent regarding the ʻ}okina and kahako, but I usually add it in the titles and move it. For example, a lanai (verandah, with no ʻokina) is different from Lanaʻi, the island. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 02:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
You know, that's a great idea. Thanks for having so much confidence in me. Someday, karma will get you, and you will be an administrator here... no, a bureaucrat. You keep up the good work, and I ought to give you a barnstar or an award of some sort. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, pshaw... I'm doing it now. My internet connection is just really slow right now. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all of your help with the newsletter. It looks great. Absolutely great. :) – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The thing is, I'm not sure if I'll really tend to participate in that. If I do become an administrator, I'll probably become an administrator that protects pages, blocks anonymous IP addresses and speedy deletes pages. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 18:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I thank you very much. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 21:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Aloha Tower

Thanks, but I'm familiar with the rules governing galleries. I'm also familiar with the outline at BRD. In general, people who employ BRD to explain their rationale are doing so in order to preserve their version of the page and to justify any future reversion. For this reason, I ignore (and will continue to ignore) people any time they start quoting it.

My concern at Aloha Tower isn't that there's a gallery on the page, but that none of the images are actually of Aloha Tower. None of them are relevant to the article and everything in those pictures is wikilinked earlier in the article (with the pictures to accompany their respective articles). If there was a gallery of pictures of Aloha Tower, I wouldn't care, but as it is we have a bunch of pictures of things that aren't the subject of the article and are thusly somewhat confusing to the reader.

I hope this satifies the D in BRD and we don't have to keep arguing over a bunch of stupid pictures. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 05:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

  • That being the case, would you prefer one of the images out of the gallery to be incorporated into the text, or for that gallery to be removed altogether? Cumulus Clouds (talk) 18:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

not wanting to intrude or something....

....but doing two reverts and then one removal of text on 24 hours sort of goes against the spirit of 3RR, if not against its letter. However, I would say that Viriditas did *not* violate 3RR because his last edit was to move the disputed paragraph to the talk page to continue improving it and stop an edit war. I notice that Arcayne has done 3 reverts on 24 hours. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II - May 2008

Aloha. The May 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 17:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

 Blocked: three days for edit warring. You and Arcayne are both recalcitrant edit warriors, and have been going at it for several days on Children of Men, and it's getting quite disruptive. The discussion on the talk page seems to have spiraled into mudslinging and I can't forsee any useful conversation coming from it, so some time on the bench may be beneficial for both you and the situation at the article. When you come back from your block, please remember to make use of our various avenues of dispute resolution instead of bypassing the negotiating stage with hostile behavior such as continuous reverting. east.718 at 18:59, May 1, 2008
This is not an unblock request, as the cards are stacked against me, but 2 reverts a day to a new version of the article in a 24 hour period is not "continuous reverting". I have been actively involved in a talk page discussion, one RFC, and two noticeboard discussions during each edit. If you take a look at the edit history starting on April 22, you'll see that Arcayne has attempted to revert every edit that I've made to the page, including at least three different compromise versions that maintained and preserved his edits to avoid an edit war. This recent edit shows that I expanded the article with new content and merged the previous version into other sections as a compromise. No other previous version reflects this change and no information was removed. Expansion and editing are not edit warring. However, without any discussion or explanation, Arcayne [5] reverted my edits one minute later[6]. I reverted since no explanation or discussion for this blanket reverted had been provided and Arcayne reverted me again [7] without discussion or explanation. This was his third reversion in 24 hours, after previously reverting me here. I have made every attempt to resolve this dispute and in my latest edit, I have attempted to preserve, not remove the edits of the other editor. Since April 22, every edit I have made has been reverted in bad faith by Arcayne, while my initial response to each initial revert is to develop a compromise version, none of which have ever been accepted by Arcayne. I have discussed every edit I've ever made to this article and I've worked very hard to accept the consensus of the RFC and noticeboard discussions, all of which have been rejected by Arcayne. I would also like to point out that my last block was erroneous, and was not a violation of the 3RR as claimed by User:Madman but rather, three reverts of User:Obedium, a User:Scibaby sock puppet on James Hansen. Viriditas (talk) 21:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Viriditas, I've left a message on Arcayne's and East718's talkpages regarding this recent block of two respected users. Please view their respective pages. I'm hoping for a quicker resolution so as not to lose two good editors. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I would be perfectly happy with a 1RR limitation for both editors on this article, as that would force Arcayne to actually start writing articles instead of just blanket reverting my edits three times a day. Viriditas (talk) 22:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
If I'm being honest, that isn't the response I was looking for. I was hoping for an "I'm sorry, I also was guilty of ......(fill in the blank)....instead of an additonal accusation against another long term editor. Care to revisit? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I apologize. I was referring to this. I have to step out for a bit, but you are right. I apologize for my behavior. Viriditas (talk) 22:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
At this point, I haven't heard back from the blocking admin, or the other involved party. I'm gong offline in a bit here though. Hope everything works out for the best. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:25, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
No worries! I'm working on developing a news article for Wikinews on the aftermath of our latest eruption in Hawaii, putting together a collaboration with the fashion project for Aloha shirt, finishing the peer review of Hippie, prepping the List of English words of Hawaiian origin for expansion, researching Niihau, and expanding Amaranthus brownii‎ to GA status. Being blocked gives me the ability to still do these things without being logged in online. I can work offline just as well. Have a great day. Viriditas (talk) 23:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

So that took a lot longer than I hoped....

Hi Viriditas,

Sorry to have taken so long, but I've gone over the eight disputed articles for WP:HAWAII. I've put some comments up at User talk:jonny-mt#News Bureau; I'd appreciate your looking over them and possibly adding some more of your own before we take it back to the main project.

Incidentally, now that life is more or less back to normal and I'm all used to my shiny new buttons, I'm going to swing back a little bit more to the content-creation side. Needless to say I was sad to see that I missed the DYK drive, but hopefully I'll be able to get some more good stuff up in the near future :) --jonny-mt 10:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Great! It looks good, Jonny. I think your opinions are sound. I see no reason not to just move the discussion over from your talk page to the project talk page. Is it possible for you to leave a brief comment for the two disputants, User:Arjuna808 and User:JereKrischel, on their respective talk pages? Perhaps letting them know that you've reviewed the disputes and would welcome their opinions? Could you also add a copy of your findings to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Outreach/News Bureau so we can summarize them in June's issue? If you have any other ideas for June's issue, take a look at the main News Bureau page. A portal update would be nice too, perhaps reiterating exactly what you need people do. We should have added the Portal requests you discussed in April to the May's issue, but I completely forgot. We still need people to work on featured biographies, anniversaries, quotes, and ʻŌlelo. In an unrelated matter, do you think we should protect Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hawaii/Outreach/Newsletter/April_2008 to prevent vandalism? It's not going to be edited at all at any time in the future. Please let me know. BTW, I'm working on a number of DYK's right now. If you're interested, I can give you a few. User:Makana Chai has just started improving List of English words of Hawaiian origin (along with User:The Obento Musubi), so if you can lend a hand bringing it to FL criteria, or offer critical comments for improvement, that would be appreciated. Thanks, again for following up. Viriditas (talk) 03:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
All right, thanks for the feedback! I'll go ahead and do that--hopefully I'll get a chance to work a bit on the portal this month as well. As for the DYKs, I've actually been saving a number of lists of places on the Big Island that I'd like to write about (personally, I can't believe Chain of Craters Road didn't already have an article), so I'll just see if I can't help out a little bit with the list as I get back into the swing of editing. Mahalo! --jonny-mt 14:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Oop, almost forgot! As far as protection goes, the target audience is small and loyal enough that I don't think there's a significant enough risk of vandalism yet to warrant protection--even the Signpost is unprotected (and seems to be reaping certain benefits from this fact). Besides, any protection would be limited to semi so as to allow yourself and Obento to make last-minute changes, which means that the only people it would stop would be new users; since any new users who know enough to vandalize a project newsletter rather than a public-facing article are bound to be socks, they'd be dealt with through blocks rather than protection.
So in other words, don't worry about it :) --jonny-mt 14:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Response to User:67.169.127.166

67.169.127.166's attack upon User:Hokulani78 over at Talk:History of Hawaii was completely baseless and evidently a troll as I originally suspected. The IP claims to be a historian, but doesn't appear to be familiar with the scholarly literature on the subject. The published work of anthropologist Peter R. Mills specifically addresses and supports the points Hokulani78 raises and puts 67.169.127.166's comments to shame. Who should we believe, an anonymous IP claiming to be a historian who attacks editors and makes outrageous off-topic comments or this guy. Tough decision, right? Viriditas (talk) 11:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 18:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Return soon!

We need you! --MPerel 08:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry that I have been off-wiki. Hopefully my courage to return will come soon! Sincerely, –Mattisse (Talk) 16:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the recognition! I would like to help out with Hawaii and am trying to get back into the swing of things after being in a hospital in Maui (much to my surprise). –Mattisse (Talk) 14:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for this. It seems kind of ironic that some of the rudest comments are by people complaining at WQA about other people’s etiquette! Hey, glad to see you back! --MPerel 15:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Flickr pics

I know you know off the top of your head the image license rules related to flickr. I want to add these three pics[8][9][10] to Greg Mortenson, they are labeled "public" at flickr, but is the license ok on these to upload? --MPerel 16:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Formatting corrections to hippie article

I'm really not sure what you thing was wrong with my improvements to the hippie article. I didn't delete any relevant content; I mostly just moved content to the correct sections. I also corrected the formatting of the reference and links sections at the bottom as per Wikipedia layout guidelines. Some of that content I merely moved back to its original location in the lead, which was moved to a different section for some reason since the last time I checked the article.Spylab (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

replied on user page to keep the discussion together

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIV - May 2008

The May 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. SteveCrossinBot (talk) 08:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Your input requested regarding reliable sources

Any insights you might offer to this discussion would be helpful and appreciated.  : ) --MPerel 03:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Line of Succesion to the Hawaiian throne

I have tried adding the numberings in line of succession to the Hawaiian throne but I can't seem to get it right the line keeping moving right. Is there any way to keep the words going down straight with numberings? I placed an <ol> symbol and it got me the numberings but it slants to the right after a while. If you put the symbol # before it, it restarts the numbering after the skipped royals. Could you try to help?KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocking

How do you block a user who has been vandalizing? Look at what User:Nhimexico did to the article Lydia Liliuokalani Kawananakoa. KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the redirect link for Phra Phutthabat. Red links hurt my eyes... :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 12:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Hippie

Sorry, I was just wikifying the article. It seems that the sections are broken. I will leave it up to you. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 00:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I could to it manually. I really just have to fix the Notes section. Comments? --RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 00:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes. I was on recent changes when I saw an article with many problems, particulary the sections and refs. It looks good to me, but I'll see what I will do with the WP:OVERLINK and the other problems. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 00:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I reviewed it just to tell you. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 02:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

PKD and Drug Policy

V - I saw your comments (argument) in the Philip K. Dick talk regarding his inclusion as a "Christian Writer". I made a comment, and look forward to watching the discussion. In flagging pages for the Drug Policy project, I again saw your name in the Drug abuse talk and thought I'd invite you to join us. I'd appreciate your participation, from what I've read of your work. Regards, Shamanchill (talk) 01:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


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