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Self referential content at space music

What are your thoughts on this paragraph? Personally I think it's highly problemmatic from both a self-referential content perspective, and as an example of appallingly badly written, mangled English prose:

Six referenced commentators do not use the term interchangeably with ambient music, one is ambiguous, and two do so. Eight referenced commentators use the term space music as a subgenre of new age music (separate from ambient music) and do not use it interchangeably, one is ambiguous, three use space music interchangeably with new age music, and four consider space music and new age music completely unrelated. Two referenced commentators refer to space music as a sub-genre of electronic rock.

I think it would be simpler and more accurate to say:

The majority of contemporary commentators note a close relationship between space music and new age music, ambient music, or (less commonly), electronic rock, to the extent that the term is often used interchangeably with these genres. --Gene_poole 10:07, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, but now we have very clear evidence of trolling. Did you notice how the offending editor deliberately misinterpreted my comments in order to provoke a response thereby perpetuating an argument? And, moreover, he did it twice.
Aside from that I think it's important to publicly kill Milo's COI fantasy accusation once and for all. It has absolutely no basis in reality. It's just something he invented as a way of justifying the hostile attitude he adopts whenever anyone threatens "his" content or attempts to restore some level of comprehensibility to his aimlessly wandering prose. --Gene_poole 06:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Milo has actually admitted to being wrong, albeit in a grudging sort-of way, and while also simultaneously clutching at a few more COI straws. Wonders never cease. --Gene_poole 21:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
It's clear that the Bobsie twins intend to block any progress on the article cleanup by tendentiously fighting over every single word. There's really no point playing that game.
I've set up this so I can work through it line by line and source by source, without having to deal with the endless episodes of hysteria, trolling, obfuscation and personal attacks.
Once I think I've got it into something approaching a reasonable state I propose getting the buy-in of a group of univolved editors to support the updating the mainspace article. When faced with real consensus the Bobsies will have no option but to accept it.
I'd appreciate any comments or suggestions you have. Feel free to make any changes that you think are necessary to the above page. --Gene_poole 05:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that suggestion. I think it's a good idea, but one I'd initially like to hold in reserve. What I'm planning to do is start cleaning up the article, and when it's in a reasonably coherent state, ask some of the people whose opinions are quoted in it to review it and provide feedback. I know many of the more important ones personally, so I'm sure they'll be happy to oblige. The twins' "creative reinterpretation" of the topic will be stopped in its tracks, the article will cease to be a subject of debate, and we can then replicate the process to ensure consistency across all the related ambient music articles. --Gene_poole 09:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Empire of Atlantium

Thanks for the link, and the compliment. I do think UT 678 is one of my better 2007 efforts.

Concerning Empire of Atlantium, feel free to reconfigure as you see fit. Historically there was a lot of angst generated there by 2 editors (using multiple sockpuppets) who have since been permanently banned. There are still some weasel-words and odd turns of phrase remaining in the article from attempts to compromise with those editors that could benefit from cleanup and referencing now. --Gene_poole 12:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Most of the relevant sources are listed at the bottom of the article. Some are quoted inline, many are not. Many of them are available as images here. A Google search may reveal others. The Lonely Planet entry is probably the most comprehensive and well-researched source, but it's not available online, although I have a copy. --Gene_poole 13:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I didn't realise WP articles could cite TV media - but if so, be my guest. I have higher-res screenshots available - there's one in the blog on my myspace profile. There's also a Reuters story and one from a major German TV current affairs show in existence - but the former is lacking the original voiceover track and the latter has to be converted from VHS (which nobody I know seems to own a player for any more) - so neither is available online. --Gene_poole 13:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm heading out for the evening now, but will be able to email you articles in gif format over the next day or so. --Gene_poole 09:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

FormMail

Not sure why I deleted it, that was April and it's my policy to not recall any actions taken in Aprils. I might have removed the prod from a different article but ment to remove it from that one. Which probably means ther is a non-notable article that I should have deleted. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 14:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Your request for page cite

Aloha, I would be happy to give a page cite on the kahuna page. To which citation are you referring? Makana Chai 00:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the clean up, I've added page numbers. Did you see my entry in talk:kahuna about all this too? However, I think that might fall into the category of original research so did not put it in the main article. I am a newbie to WP and really to Hawai'i as well. I must confess I never heard of Ka'ula or Kaula until I just looked them up. Not sure if the concern you mentioned has been answered. Could a line go on the Kaula page just under the title redirecting to Ka'ula, like the Huna page for Hunas? Mahalo for your vigilance. Makana Chai 09:05, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of Huna, perhaps you can resolve something there. Is it appropriate to have links to Huna "churches" in this article per WP rules? Do we take at face value a "church" or do we see them as commercial enterprises with a really good tax break? Mahalo Makana Chai 09:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hearts of Space

I've just completed a long-overdue major rewrite of the above article. The bobsies have already tried to rollback some of my changes there, replacing clear, unambiguous prose with mangled, circumlocutory phraseology for no apparent reason. You might want to keep an eye on things there. --Gene_poole 09:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The Bobsie Twins are trolling again. I'd appreciate it if you could post a response to their latest rant when you get a chance. --Gene_poole 23:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I certainly wouldn't want you geting involved in any dispute. An opinion from an outside party who has worked with me would nonetheless be appreciated. --Gene_poole 02:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for putting some perspective on things. I think the best approach is to deal with each of them via separate mediation processes. They are, after all, separate individuals with unique perspectives and opinions. Any mediation attempt that involves both of them ganging up together is very likely to collapse under an avalanche of verbiage and send the poor mediator to the asylum. Dealing with them individually will limit things to cold hard realworld facts, and should prove decidedly less aggravating for all concerned. --Gene_poole 10:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Point taken. Parsifal's deliberate misrepresentation of WP:TALK and other policies doesn't really need to be corrected by me; that's a job for an admin, mediator or ultimately, the Arbcom. So, if they continue avoiding mediation - which I'm sure they will, because their only interest is in perpetuating their behaviour, not resolving it - what's the next step? --Gene_poole 12:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Apologies - I completely missed the fact those comments on Steel359's talk page were timestamped out of order in their original configuration. I've attempted to restore some semblance of order to things there, but it still looks pretty messy. --Gene_poole 13:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Hawaiian diacritics

Don't know if you've seen this, but as one of the main contributors to Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii, you might want to comment on the current proposal in the Wikiproject Hawaii MOS [1]; User:Erudy has posted a "modest proposal" to completely eliminate all diacritics from Hawaiian articles, except for a citation at the beginning. Right now there are only 4 comments, evenly split. As far as I can tell all of those supporting it haven't contributed to Hawaiian articles, so it would be disturbing if they claimed victory when hardly anyone who is actually from or connected to Hawaiʻi has put in their voice. KarlM 11:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll let them know. I've posted around on some other users' talk pages as well. I know what you mean about being sick of the argument (though it seems from reading earlier discussions that they were more about the form of okinas). If most people contributing to Hawaiʻi articles decided they shouldn't be included then I wouldn't mind, but it's aggravating to find people with no knowledge of the language or place making decisions. One user in particular must do little else besides write on Wikipedia, based on the number of contributions they've made, and seems to be obsessed with MOSs. KarlM 12:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Hippie "Overview" section

You seem to be misreading WP:LEAD. It does not say that there should be repetition in an article. The way the "Overview" section currently reads is just plan poor writing. I would suggest that you try to work with me on this, rather than reverting my edits. Sunray 07:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Please, I don't follow this "spiraling out into new sections" stuff. The lead is a summary of the main themes of the article. I'm an editor, with real world experience editing and several articles raised to FA and GA status. The article is already overlong. It needs trimming. It especially does not need repeating virtually the same sentence twice. If you think that is good writing, I will not be able to work with you. BTW, "Overview" sections are frowned on—the lead is an overview. If we are going to collaborate, I would suggest that you not begin by trying to tell me how to edit.Sunray 07:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I've responded on my talk page to keep the continuity. Sunray 08:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Peace Pilgrim

Thanks for the assistance with the Peace Pilgrim wiki entry. I am a Friends of Peace Pilgrim board member. The information in the Marta Daniels bio this is accurate. We will be publishing a revised version in the near future and adding it to the other items we offer freely on the Peace Pilgrim website this. I'm relatively new to Wiki editing and am slowly picking up additional skills. Not much time to delve deeply in the Wiki world at the moment. My aim is to keep the info about Peace Pilgrim relatively accurate. It seems that a number of "contributers" simply want to impose their own agendas on the Peace Pilgrim page. Please feel free to reference any pages of the Peace Pilgrim website. All the quotes can be referenced back to the book - Peace Pilgrim: Her Life and Work in Her Own Words. --Benick 13:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


Peace Pilgrim Photo

I thought about adding a photo myself but have not yet taken the time to learn how to do it. The photo that is used most often is that of Peace Pilgrim walking down the road. It is on the cover of our book and has been used in many publications. Friends of Peace Pilgrim owns the rights to this image but we also like to credit the photographer James B. Burton. The photo first appeared in a local Kansas newspaper in about 1980 when Peace walked through the area. There is a small version of the image on upper left of the main page of the Peace Pilgrim website this. I can supply this image in various pixel sizes and resolutions if necessary. The credit could read - photograph by James B. Burton, courtesy Friends of Peace Pilgrim. --Benick 00:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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Starwood Festival

Hey, I just noticed you are responsible for Starwood Festival. Nice work. —Viriditas | Talk 01:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've tried to contribute to the presence of alternative spirituality and consciousness exploration icons, pioneers,and events as much as my schedule (and experience) allows, though it's been a battle at times.
BTW, if you get the chance, maybe you'd weigh in on the deletion proposal on Gabrielle Roth. Frankly, I think it's ridiculous considering her three published books and prominence in her field.Rosencomet 21:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Terence McKenna

You wrote: BTW, do you have a date for the lecture/workshop McKenna gave at Starwood? I wanted to cite it in his bio. —Viriditas | Talk 10:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Terence appeared at Starwood July 22nd and 23rd, 1994. He did "Conversations at the Edge of Magic" on the 22nd, which was made into a cassette tape and reissued as a CD - you'll find it in his discography, and a mention of it at the very end of the section on the Stoned Ape Theory. He did "Rap-Dancing Into the Third Millenium" on the 23rd as a 2-1/2 hr workshop, which was split into the cassettes "Rap-Dancing Into the Third Millenium" and "Packing For the Long Strange Trip". Rap-Dancing has recently been reissued on CD as "The Quintessential Hallucinogen"; we plan on reissuing Packing sometime soon.
Terence's appearance at Starwood was significant to him, and he spoke about it in his interview in Charles Hayes' book "Tripping". The Starwood Terence perceived was more impressive than the real one he attended IMO. Here's an excerpt of the Starwood part:

TM: I was at this scene in western New York called Starwood, which bills itself as a pagan festival: five days of nudity, cannabis, this and that. On the final night, they piled up dead apple trees two hundred feet high and set them on fire, and six thousand people tore their clothes off and danced all night long around this thing, raising a cloud of red dust in the air a thousand feet high. This was my first trip to the “Midwest.” It was so far west in New York that I flew to Cleveland to get there.

Actually, the bonfire was more like 30-40 feet high, though the flames went probably another 40 feet high. I don't know how high Terence went. :-) The total attendance of the event that year was around 1200, so most of those six thousand people were dancing in Terence's head. (And no surprise about flying through Cleveland to get to Western New York; Cleveland is a Continental hub, and he flew to Erie, PA from there, about 30 miles from the campground.)
Terence told me that this event was pretty much the most social he EVER got with people. Usually he retreats to his room when he's not on stage, and when he trips it's alone in a dark bedroom under the blanket - or even under the bed! His socializing was in no small part because he befriended fellow speaker that year Oberon Zell-Ravenheart, and hung out with him a good deal of the time.Rosencomet 18:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Update

My research has turned up something very very interesting; I've emailed you the relevant details. --Gene_poole 05:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The second email is even more interesting. It seems that the more closely I look, the more I find. --Gene_poole 05:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Dear Viriditas, you always make my day! Thank you for your sweetness and for making the editing environment such a pleasure : ) --MPerel 03:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Coltrane Giant Steps.jpg)

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Thanks

Thanks for the lovely barnstar. :-D But we still have a long way to go until we can get it featured... --BorgQueen 01:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of countries with organic agriculture regulation

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thanks for clearing that for me

sorry bro ... u were right ! --eatpepsi @ Wiki Project ! 23:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

yes i have seen it

and have loved the musical ... can u please help me and get acquainted with the talk system and PM syatem of WIKIPEDIA ... and give me pointers in editing articles on wiki .. i am new here and love to add and work for its betterment ! :)eatpepsi @ Wiki Project ! 16:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

thanks

thanks --eatpepsi @ Wiki Project ! 16:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

look at my page now

is it correctly placed .... i mean the adopt me ? --eatpepsi @ Wiki Project ! 16:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

ok

but the image was uploaded by me ... does it make any difference ... amybe i can upload my own with a different license ? --eatpepsi @ Wiki Project ! {{tl|adoptme}} 16:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

how do i ?

i mean how do i add such free images of my own creation to WIKI ? i mean what license do i use ? --eatpepsi @ Wiki Project ! 16:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Archive box

Per your note at RfA - I did add one to my talk page. I've added probably dozens of these to different projects, etc. but never thought to add one to my own talk page. D'oh! -- SkierRMH (talk) 22:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Cuisine of Hawaii

That's great! Sure, it will be much easier if you could help me. I made a new subsection under reference section, so you could add your references there when you write, and I will convert them to {{cite book}} format afterward. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

If you are citing a lot of pages, the harvard reference format is better, of course. Please go ahead. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Hee hee, please take you time to formulate your words, or, you should be assimilated. (a Borg cube comes down from the sky...) :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 06:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, of course, the harvard format is better in this case. I started converting and you are welcome to help. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Actually I used to prefer the harvard ref format (as you can see in cubeb and spanish fly) but other editors seemed to dislike it, so I began to use the cite book instead, which is certainly simpler when you cite only one of two from one reference. But the former works better in this case than the latter. Btw, some of the books you've added lack ISBN - can you add it? Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, that's fine. I am waiting for you to add contents from the references, since I have no access to them. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, the meat section needs to be expanded; chicken, pork, etc. I'd also like to know a bit more about their ancient customs; when and why they stopped eating dog meat, etc. And you are welcome to add any information you think is important. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for correction. Please give me some time to digest the new info. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for fixing the review of Om Shanti Om !eatpepsi @ Wiki Project ! (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions for reorganization of Jainism invited

Some of us are planning to reorganize the article Jainism, and perhaps some of the related articles.

Since you have made significant contributions to the article in the past, it would be great if you can give us some suggestions at the talk page Talk:Jainism. Thanks.

--Malaiya (talk) 20:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Thansk.--Malaiya (talk) 23:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Terraforming in culture

Yes, that popular culture thing was a blooper. Check it again; I quickly changed it to “Terraforming of fictional planets in film.” Sources would be good, and also I think that both the sections should be placed in tables like the rest of the article. What do you think? --S.dedalus (talk) 06:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Church and School of Wicca

Dear Viriditas,

I was hoping you might help me on something. I have just completed a long effort to satisfy an editor about the controversy section of the Church and School of Wicca article. We have come to an agreement about it, due to my documentation that much of the information is neither factual nor verified, and more is inappropriate and/or uncyclopedic. Now a new editor has come who has never contributed anything else, just for the sole purpose of returning all the information, and has accused me of being an associate of the founder of the event, even though I have stated (and it is the truth) that I am in no way connected to the Church and School and only know the founder because he spoke at Starwood years ago.

I am afraid this will become another battle, and I very much doubt the motives of this one-purpose editor with no talk page or other contributions. Could you review the issue on the discussion page and advise me? Thanks in advance.Rosencomet (talk) 17:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Postive UT feedback much appreciated. I've played quite a bit of Brennan before - I'm currently working my way through a pile of his albums I only obtained for the first time earlier this year. Burmer has less albums available (and is now dead, so there are no more on the way). I find his sweeter sound less to my taste. He gets an airing every now and then. Haven't forgotten about the Atlantium stuff - just snowed under like you wouldn't believe atm. You might want to look at Principality of Sealand in the interim. 5 years ago we were fighting to prevent the article being deleted because it was about a micronation. Now we're facing a budding edit war because one person says its not a micronation (despite the fact that's what the people running it call it) but a real country. --Gene_poole (talk) 10:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Pretty sure neither Brennan nor Burmer have ever written muisic for film. --Gene_poole (talk) 11:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

ConceptBase

The original article was tagged by User:Betacommand for WP:CSD#G11. I've taken a look at the article in the state it was in when I deleted it and to be honest I think my G11 was wrong, and probably influenced by the tag. It did however look a bit spammy due to the external links (often a bit of a giveaway) adn the tone was promotional. At the time it also didn't really assert notability either. Looking at the article now it all seems fine. On balance I probably should have declined speedy and taken it to AFD instead when it was originally created. Just curious as to why you asked? Any further info just let mew know! Pedro :  Chat  11:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no problem at all. You should get yourself the Sysop bit then you can see deleted edits!! Pedro :  Chat  11:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:) No worries - I'm normally on-line 08:00 - 16:00 UTC Mon - Fri (I'm a Brit) if you need any help or anything needing admin tools. I'm sure I've seen your name around before, and actually had a vague impression you were an admin anyway! Pedro :  Chat  11:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

24.148.25.3

im sorry i don't think he is using that name anymore because his user page hasn't been used for months and his Distastefull coments were made a couple of weeks ago and somebody would have contaced him and he would have said something this gives me the hunch that he is no longer useing that talk page so i had to go were he was agureing about last.ANOMALY-117 23:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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