Talk:Virtual airline

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The majority of this page is absolute rubbish. As per Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files ("Wikipedia articles are not: [...] Mere collections of external links or Internet directories. There is nothing wrong with adding a list of content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia.") the links to VAs should be deleted, and replaced with a link to an already extant web directory of VAs (I'm sure there are plenty out there already). This'll make the article a lot less daunting, and relieve us of these childish squabbles about which VA is the 'real' one with regard to real-world airlines. Unless someone can give a very good reason for them to stay, I'll be deleting the links at the end of the weekend. --Scott Wilson 02:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] VA Site Design

I removed the section on VA site design as it does not seem relevant to the article and looks like original research to me. -- Canwolf 06:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VA Screen Shots

I have removed the linked image, ignoring uncited "special permission from Wikipedia PR department" -- LukeKolin

[edit] New Section: VA Applications

I write and maintain a web based VA admin system release under Creative Commons license. Is this relevent for this page? Opinions sought. JamesHuckle 09:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Does it pass WP:WEB? :> Or you can link it an see what happens. I have no idea what anyone is talking about including myself. Marasmusine 09:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of notable VAs

I've removed the list of notable virtual airlines for much the same reason as I removed the links to individual virtual airlines; it'll be hard to stop people 'me too'-ing their own (non-notable) VA in. I would, however, welcome links to Wikipedia articles on virtual airlines, similar to what's happening at List of notable accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft. That way, we guarantee that the VAs in question are notable, verifiable etc.. Comments? --Scott Wilson 15:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Undo of the "Trivia" Removal, 7 June 2007

feel free to discuss...

  1. Sry, but there was absolutely no commercial advertising to identify in this chapter. Names of existing or not existing virtual airlines in an article about virtual airlines should not be reason enough for deleting the whole article immediately. I know this problem with this "'me too'-ing", as written in the chapter above, but i think this doesnt meet this "Trivia" chapter. (By the way.. have a look at the "Pentium" page, which is linked to the producer's pages... here seems to be acceptance depending on sizes...)
  2. "Trivia" per se are usually not "important" but often "interesting", especially for those, who find their way to this article. They contain information, maybe not for everybody. Dont mix "importance" and "information", please! I love trivia chapters as they often add information which cant be found somewhere else.
  3. This special "trivia"- chapter never claims to be important, but it introduces, to report about problems, how "real" and "virtual" can collide. It contains information which cant be found elsewhere than in an encyklopedia. At least to me it was interesting, which problems can grow for a simple non-profit hobby-community having common names or common interests with a commercial company.
  4. Wikipedia as an encyklopedia is full off articles about "dead" topics. All the details about wars in the last centuries, all these relationships between kings and princesses... really important for everybody? Virtual airlines - if existing - are "living" institutions. Nobody will think about any kind of "advertising" in an article about Alexander G. Bell and his telephone. If there's an article about the CEO of a today's phone company, it will be interpreted as advertising immediately. Strange somehow... Keep realistic. Not everything "existing or "living" has to be interpreted as "advertising".
  5. Trivia like this make encyklopedias interesting. Wikipedia also intends this, remember the "today's featured article" and more. So, please, no basic discussion "why not trivia?"

By the way: today's (7 June 2007) featured article on the German wikipedia version is about "prostitution in ancient times" ("Prostitution in der Antike"). "Important" or "interesting"...?

--80.109.77.143 13:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC) oh.. i dont need to hide behind my ip... --GS-VIE 13:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply -- I have to disagree, this trivia post is becoming one big advertising pool. Every virtual airline based on a real airline is now discussing here how it has struggled once upon a time with its real time counterpart (just check NWA, AWA, Color Air) . This adds absolutely no value to this thread. And where are we going to draw the line? We can just as well add KLMs, Delta's, Ryanairs, Easyjet; Southwest etc etc etc relation to their real counterparts. And why not? They have just as much right for doing it as NWA, Jetstar and others.

If such trivia makes it interesting as you claim (which could very well be the case, but is not the point here), than we should also add the history of every "notable" virtual airline on this page as well. Some would claim that to be advertising, while others would find it "interesting".

This is the exact reason why Encyclopedias do not write about companies, because it could become very subjective, which goes against the main idea of an encyclopedia in the first place as it should be objective and give a fair and true view.

[edit] Original Research

I have added an original research tag. I added a referenced paragraph and an example of the least we should have. I am going to try and source/cleanup the first section which I believe contains the majority of the original research. Any help would be appreciated. Icemotoboy (talk) 01:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tidy Up

  • I made a first crack at tidying up the article, included some references I could find. I also removed the Virtual VFR Flying Clubs section (main article was deleted), as I couldn't find anything legitimizing its existence and establishing it as a type of "Virtual Airline". I also added a disambiguation page, as Virtual Airline (economics) is an economic term.Icemotoboy (talk) 00:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I have requested semi-protection of this article, as all the spam links to VA's are being added by unregistered users, with at least one a week being added and it is becoming tiresome removing them. Please do NOT add your VA links to this article! I am trying to increase the quality of this article, and adding these links does not help.Icemotoboy (talk) 01:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The request was unsuccessful as we do not have enough vandalism to warrant it. In its place I have added a warning, to further clarify that links will be removed.
  • I have moved the following section to the Talk page as it is unreferenced, and it links to an external site. Please find an independent, verifiable, source and post it here. If you are not comfortable with adding the reference tags (it can be confusing), feel free to post here or on my talk page and I will be happy to do it for you.Icemotoboy (talk) 23:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Virtual Flying Clubs
Virtual Flying clubs are made up of members who enjoy a more independent, but social virtual flying environment. These clubs usually do not fly routes, keep schedule, or pay a virtual salary (unless they are participating with a program such as FS Economy They usually fly under Visual Flight Rules. These clubs foster community through activities such as virtual air shows, air races, and some even have virtual display teams. Clubs communicate on websites, forums and Teamspeak accounts.

  • I have moved the FS Economy and VFR Flying Club external links to this page as links do not add to quality of this article. Wikipedia is not a directory or repository of links, these kinds of links should be added to DMOZ. Icemotoboy (talk) 23:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
After discussion with user, I have hunted out a reference and added an amended version of the text, with a verified reference. If anyone else can find any verified information on Virtual Flying Clubs, that would be great. I agree that its probably worth noting them, as they are very popular on the VATSIM network and probably worthy of a mention here. Icemotoboy (talk) 02:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject videogame assessment

A request was left for assessment at wikiproject videogames. I've left the rating as-is, it's currently between start and stub class, some more improvement and expansion would be helpful. Here's some suggestions:

  • "It has been proposed" "It has been suggested" - redundant, if you've got a reliable source stating something then just cite the source and state it as fact. If you have conflicting sources, for instance, then you would need to give appropriate weight to them.
  • 'Types of virtual airline' - each subheading needs expanding, if little can be found then the types should be merged together and 'types' should be a subheading within an overview or a paragraph of it.
  • Though there are sources listed, they've not resulted in a significant amount of text - can they be used further? If not, cast the net out further, the article needs more context.
  • This is a specialist area, reliable sources of information need to be identified.

There's little else I can suggest until the article has been expanded and more sources are brought in. Someoneanother 14:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)