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[edit] TELUGU DYNASTIES
ACCORDING TO THURSTON KINGS OF VIJAYANAGAR,THANJAVUR AND MADURAI DYNASTIES WERE BALIJA NAIDUS (KOTA BALIJAS), WHO MAINTAINED MATRIMONIAL ALLIANCES AMONG THEMSELVES. THEIR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR NAMES WERE CLEARLY GIVEN IN HIS BOOK "CASTES AND TRIBES OF SOUTHERN INDIA". SINCE THURSTON'S BOOK IS AN AUTHORITY IN CASTES AND TRIBES OF SOUTHERN INDIA WITH ITS IMPECCABLE HONESTY ONE SHOULD NOT DOUBT THE ABOVE INFORMATION.SINCE BALIJA NAIDUS ARE TELUGU PEOPLE WE COULD INFER FROM THIS INFORMATION THAT THE RULERS OF VIJAYANAGAR,THANJAVUR AND MADURAI WERE OF TELUGU ORIGIN.HOWEVER IF SOMEONE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THURSTON IT SHOULD BE LEFT TO ONE'S OWN CHOICE.
The Idea is not to believe one author, but to balance the views of many authors, which is what has been done in this article. Log in and write your comments on this page, or hold your peace. THURSTON is not the only author in the world to write about Vijayanagara Empire. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia where the intention is not to "BELIEVE" any one author but to bring in views of many authors. Try to read more books and understand the views of many authors.Dineshkannambadi 03:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
MANY THANKS TO YOU FOR SUGGESTING ME TO TRY TO READ MORE BOOKS AND UNDERSTAND THE VIEWS OF MANY AUTHORS.I BELIEVE I HAVE READ ENOUGH BOOKS,AND THURSTON'S BOOK HAPPENED TO BE ONE AMONG THEM. THE INFORMATION I GOT FROM OTHER BOOKS AND SOURCES HAD CONCURRED WITH THE INFORMATION IN THURSTON'S BOOK AND I GUESS IT HELPED ME TO FORM "A BALANCED VIEW" ON THESE TELUGU DYNASTIES. THE REASON I QUOTED THURSTON'S BOOK WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS (1) EDGAR THURSTON WAS A FAMOUS ETHNOGRAPHER AND MUSEOLOGIST BASED IN MADRAS AND HENCE WAS WELLVERSED WITH SOUTHERN INDIA .(2) HE WAS A BRITISH WRITER WHO LIVED BETWEEN 1855 -1935 (IN MY OPINION BRITISH WRITERS WERE BRUTALLY HONEST IN FACT FINDING AND REPORTING WITHOUT ANY BIAS).(3)ALL HIS VOLUMES ON CASTES AND TRIBES OF SOUTHERN INDIA ARE CONSIDERED AS JEWELS AND ARE GREATLY RESPECTED FOR AUTHENTICITY .
- Please dont write in upper case. Its extremely painfull to read. Again, There are many many authors, Thurston is one among them. I dont intend to go on and on about this. All views have to be balanced on the "wikipedia", not in your mind. What is your balanced view is immaterial to wikipedia. You may have convinced yourself that these were all Telugu dynasties, but thats of no importance to wikipedia. Please understand wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news paper. Secondly, please stop towing this "British" line. They happened to be as biased as anyone, based on their own requirements. Its amazing that we still bank on foreign scholars to tell and teach us our history even after all the progress we have made in epigraphy. Is'nt this what made us a colony for 200 years?. We are independent now, so lets think independently. I have been through this with other new editors for more than a year and dont intend to go on and on. In addition, wikipedia gives no valve to opinions user's who dont log in. They are called anonymous editors. Wish you the best of luck in finding your.
Let me put down a few points so we all understand what wikipedia is, since you seem to be new here.
1. wiki is not the place to decide what is the truth, but only a place to report all possible verifyable opinions. The readers can decide what they want from it.
2. Wiki is not the place to decide whether the British were better at history or the Spanish or Germans. Thats your won POV (point of view) which is not allowed per policy.
3. If you read the article carefully, no where is an attempt made to certify whether the Vijayanagara Kings were Telugu or Kannadigas. Only the views of scholars are mentioned. Thats is how an encyclopedia works per policy. Perhaps you may want to write a book on Thurston and his views, but then you cant bring that book to wikipedia because "original research" is not allowed here per policy.
4. Wikipedia does not value opinions of anonymous editors. Only material brought in by Log in editors is valued, if verifiable. I hope this clarifies what wikipedia is. I am not trying to be rude, but more than a years worth of hard work has gone into the article, with multiple trips to Vijayanagara/Hampi. Its takes a lot of trouble to write a Featured article and very little to make anonymous arguements. Dineshkannambadi 12:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
NO DOUBT YOU PUT YOUR HEART INTO THIS AND TOILED MORE THAN A YEAR BRINGING OUT THE ARTICLE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN FOR RECEIVING FLAK FROM VARIOUS READERS INSPITE OF YOUR HARD WORK INCLUDING MULTIPLE TRIPS TO VIJAYANAGARA / HAMPI. BEST OF LUCK IN YOUR ENDEAVOURS. HUMILITY CAN BE A GREAT PLUS IN COMMUNICATIONS.
Thank you for understanding. Please also read Vijayanagara Empire Literature and Origin of Vijayanagara Empire where more objective info is provided. All the info in these article comes from myself and user: Mlpkr. I hope you enjoy the reading.Dineshkannambadi 22:18, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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Telugu gained prominence only during krishnadevaraya because he patronised telugu (despite being kannada) out of his personal interst (or because he had telugu spouses). There is no support or proper telugu evidence prior to Krishnadevaraya in viajayangar empire history. Telugu had it's golden
age around krishna devaraya time (15th century) which shows that it is relatively newer language.
Besides Kannada inscriptions are available in andhra pradesh abudantly which proves kannada rulers ruled andhra region for a long time.
[edit] The translated name
(I removed the phrase 'translation; Victory city', because that is the translation of Vijayanagara, not of Vijayanagara samrajya. I left a possibly confusing edit note.)
Is there any evidence that the empire was called Vijayanagara samrajya during its own time? Imc
I will try to dig up that info. However, I would be surprised if contemporary literature / Inscriptions did not call it that. None the less, it is an exact vernacular translation of the English name of the empire.Dineshkannambadi 00:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have no problem with the transileration of Vijayanagara in the article.Dineshkannambadi 12:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
