Talk:Videoconferencing

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1 High-definition systems
2 Merging with H.331
3 List of Providers
4 redlink additions
5 Adding some information on other companies in the Video Conference space.
6 I have corrected the links. Not sure where i should post this..
7 How can I add links to web conferencing companies.
8 My "promotional" addition
9 I am unsure how this is not similar to the video conference, video conferencing, and web conferencing links
10 External resource suggestion

[edit] High-definition systems

There are now a few providers (eg HP/Tandberg/Cisco consortium) pushing high-definition "life-like" videoconferencing under various names (eg Telepresence). I notice this has been removed from this article and is on the Telepresence article. Why aren't the two merged or linked more closely since the Telepresence page also deals with non-video telepresence? Some marketers suggest it is the future of videoconferencing, if so I think it should be mentioned (I'd link, but it would be to a commercial site). Also some groups are using pseudo-holographics to make the image more life-like: see news articles [1] --121.44.104.104 (talk) 07:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merging with H.331

Re merging with H.331, I don't seem to see any discussion on this issue; is it still current? KVeil (talk) 00:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Providers

Personally I see no problem in adding further providers and manufacturers to the existing list. This gives the reader an informed view of the choice. What is not permissible is an external link to those companies. So - listing good, linking bad. Andymarczak 07:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The above only leads to spammers adding internal links to their products, and then creating the articles since they don't exist, and then we have to go through a deletion process since those products are not notable enough for their own encyclopedia articles, or reads a lot like advertisement. I replaced the list of businesses with an appropriate DMOZ link. Haakon 18:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

We need some info added on High Definition Video Conferencing, any takers?Andymarczak 08:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The latest addition just shows why having a list of providers here isn't appropriate to an encyclopedia. This isn't a search engine, nor is it an advertising venue. The latest addition appears to have been exactly as Haakon predicted. jesup 02:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

We should strongly consider removing the list of providers; it's an invitation to spam (witness the last few edits), and encourages people to create company wikipedia pages solely as advertising. If we want to point to a list, point to dmoz or some such. This is an encyclopedia, not a search engine. If there's no objection in a week, I plan to remove the list. jesup 13:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] redlink additions

Redlink additions are not welcome here. If you want to link software, create the destination page first.

In any case, since it's now been almost two weeks since the proposal to remove the provider list, I'm going to remove the entire list, in keeping with WP:LISTV and Wikipedia is not a Directory. jesup 01:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding some information on other companies in the Video Conference space.

I have tried on many occasions to add useful information on additional companies that are in the video conferencing space. Companies like Adobe and MegaMeeting.com have video conference technology built on Flash technology. This has not only brought down the cost of the service, increase the amount of Video displayed, but also allowed it to work on multiple platforms like Mac, PC, and Linux. People look to Wikipedia for information that is current and supplied by multiple sources. I am unsure why companies like Microsoft, Radvision, Webex, Gotomeeting can have their information displayed here and not other companies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jasonrrichmond (talk • contribs) 01:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

The problem is that you are simply adding external links (including writing over pre-existing links (diff)). This is viewed as link spam (see WP:SPAM and WP:EL). The non-link information you have added is written in a promotional tone and does not add encyclopedic content to the article. If you really feel like there is some information worth including in the article, you might try proposing it here for other editors to consider. Nposs 13:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you please add this information, in part or in whole. I see you have Videoconferencing technology white papers that link to Radvison.

Videoconferencing technology white papers

Determining what features you need from a Web Conferencing Application

What to know when choosing a camera

The industry has developed to the point that MegaMeeting.com LLC has Trademarked the Term "MegaMeeting".

I know this all seems like an advertisement but it is useful, unbias and I see companies like Microsoft, Webex, Radvision and the like listed here. MegaMeeting has about 25,000 people using its system and constantly has people asking "why are you not on Wikipedia"

Thank you for anything you can do or advise you can give me for getting this accomplished.

--75.40.104.218 18:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Jason Richmond

I'm somewhat confused by your links. The first two don't work and third leads to a few paragraphs about how to select a webcam. It isn't symmetrically related to the article - that is to say: the article is about videoconferencing, not choosing a webcam. Even if it was related, there really isn't enough material on the page to make it worth linking. Am I misunderstanding your suggestions? Nposs 19:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

19:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)Jason Richmond.. thank you for getting back on this. I have corrected the links, sorry for the mistake. Also I just wanted to give the public more on info on Cameras because it took me a while to figure out the differences.

Thanks for clearing it up. Taking a look at the articles, they don't really contain encyclopedic content about the article subject. They are very general in tone and do not relate symmetrically to videoconferencing. That is not to say that they are not of use to people. In my opinion, they don't make for good external links. The link to a directory of white papers about MegaMeeting contains mainly promotional material about the company rather than encyclopedic content about videoconferencing itself. Nposs 20:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

--76.80.57.61 01:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)Jason Richmond I do not see how the http://www.radvision.com/Resources/WhitePapers/ link is any different from the MegaMeeting link. There is alot of useful information on that link and I am asking for your help in getting it on Wikipedia. Please advise

My advice - don't try. Please read the above conversation about why these aren't good links for Wikipedia. By the way, anyone can edit an article - even yourself. You don't need any special help to do that. Nposs 02:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I have corrected the links. Not sure where i should post this..

I have tried on many occasions to add useful information on additional companies that are in the Video Conference space. Companies like Adobe and MegaMeeting.com have video conference technology built on Flash technology. This has not only brought down the cost of the service, increase the amount of Video displayed, but also allowed it to work on multiple platforms like Mac, PC, and Linux. People look to Wikipedia for information that is current and supplied by multiple sources. I am unsure why companies like Microsoft, Radvision, Webex, Gotomeeting can have their information displayed here and not other companies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jasonrrichmond (talk • contribs) 01:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Can you please add this information, in part or in whole. I see you have Videoconferencing technology white papers that link to Radvison.

Videoconferencing technology white papers

Determining what features you need from a Web Conferencing Application

What to know when choosing a camera

The industry has developed to the point that MegaMeeting.com LLC has Trademarked the Term "MegaMeeting".

Thank you for anything you can do or advise you can give me for getting this accomplished.

--75.40.104.218 18:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Jason Richmond

[edit] How can I add links to web conferencing companies.

Like Wiredred

MegaMeeting

Gotomeeting

webex

Isee you

with all there features —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.80.9.213 (talk) 00:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

You can add them by editing the article - but please do not do this. Read the discussion immediately above this and realize that an attempt to add these links will probably be viewed as spam WP:SPAM. The links will probably be removed and potentially added to the spam blacklist if it appears that they links are being added repeatedly. This is an encyclopedia article - not a list of videoconferencing companies. Read carefully WP:NOT and WP:EL before deciding to add the links. Nposs 01:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

An encyclopaedia entry about nationhood has to mention specific nations. An entry about publishing has to mention specific publishers. In a field where things are far more proprietary, specific proprietors must be mentioned for the topic to be sufficiently explored. Doing that in a NPOV way is likely to be difficult of course. But proposals of ways it might be attempted should be encouraged. At the very least, basic differences between free/paid solutions and between webcam-computer and more dedicated hardware solutions should be mentioned. 220.253.26.61 (talk) 12:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My "promotional" addition

I tried adding Tandberg as a pioneering VTC firm to Picturetel. Tandberg and Picturetel are definitely the VTC pioneers, but this was deemed promotional by some user. I did some changes to the "desktop systems" part as well. This was deemed ungrammatical, but was in fact just plain wrong as I had misunderstood what this section were talking about. The nomenclature in the business today is that desktop systems are anything used on your desk while pc-based systems are pc-software with or without add-on hardware. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.196.35.3 (talk) 17:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Can you supply some references to support your assertion about Tandberg and Picturetel (from a reliable source - [{WP:RS]]). Otherwise, the additions are "original research" - WP:OR. Nposs 03:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I am unsure how this is not similar to the video conference, video conferencing, and web conferencing links

I placed a while back that were removed.

I had placed the terms with links video conference video conferencing web conferencing software and articles pertaining to certain companies and they were removed. How is it that a company like tanberg and polycom should be listed but not others?

--76.80.9.213 17:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)Jason

Neither of those two companies are linked on the article. Please read the above discussions about why the external links are inappropriate. Nposs 21:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External resource suggestion

I would like to suggest an external link to www.vtctalk.com. It is non-commercial forum for guys working in the conferencing business. The biggest forum of it's kind I believe and relevant for putting up here as a resource. As mentioned the forum is for pro's so the level can relatively high at times, but people are always kind and helpful towards the newbies. Take a look guys and let me know what you think: VTCtalk. 14:50, 06 Nov 2007 [by m.nordal]

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