Talk:VeriChip

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I think wikipedia has a responsibility to display the true implications of the verichip. I think the current information displayed under verichip achieves this well.

I do too. I mean...we know the pros but we need the cons too in order to really know about the subject. The article explains the benefits as well as the concerns...it is neutral already. If the concerns are taken out it will not be neutral then, don't you agree?

I agree with the above, there's no POV in the article. The flag should be removed.

Good really, i feel well informed from a un-biased source now.

HI NUBS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.73.250 (talk) 21:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Vandalism Removed

THIS STUPID CHIP WILL CONTROL HUMAN BEINGS! YOU WILL BE CONTROLLED LIKE A ROBOT! ONLY THE PRESTIGIOUS FEW WILL BE ABLE TO GET THIS CHIP! IF YOU DON'T YOU WIL NOT BE ABLE TO BUYS FOOD, DRINK, OWN LAND, PROPERTY, ETC.

I cut this, couldn't be bothered to sign in to do it. Obvious vandalism (and if serious, not very well informed about the workings of the human nervous system). 194.223.81.88 (talk) 13:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] POV - Privacy Language

The language in the section "Privacy" seems to be defending the use of the chips, instead of just unbiased reporting of both sides of the argument. See: "Again, this is not true." Jsysinc 23:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conflict of interest

83.132.128.252 did some major edits on this article 2 times and 3 minor edits and made it sound less controversial. You might have to revert back to an older version.80.109.79.136 10:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

He replaced "controversy" with "concerns", he took away the demonstration of how to clone a VeriChip. He wrote stuff like "It is therefore built for in-room applications like the rapid, secure patient identification offered by VeriMed and cannot be used to track children, prevent kidnappings, etc." and "The RFID microchips recently inserted into the hands of some individuals for the purpose of speeding everyday authentication (e.g. signing onto a computer) are not related to VeriChip in any way. More importantly, those microchips have not received FDA testing and clearance. VeriChip's human-implantable RFID microchip inserted into the right tricep during a physician visit is the only implantable RFID technology with FDA approval." which sound like he works for VeriChip, and these are his first and only edits. He even took away the section on Bodily Sanctity. Therefore I say again reverting would be best.80.109.79.136 10:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

199.227.112.7 removed part of the section "religious concerns". This guy must be an athiest or thinks it might be a conspiracy theory.--168.13.191.66 14:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It also contains a reference to VeriChip's website, which can't really be considered a reliable source.80.109.79.136 14:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


I've edited the article to balance it back out a bit from before 83.132.128.252 went on an edit spree. SynergyBlades 13:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Acording to 168.13.191.66, atheists can't edit wikipedia. How is that for unbiased information... The whole article is full of biased disinformation from fundamental christians. Despite the fact that the Verichip is inserted into the right tricep and not on the right hand and so in no way linked to the Bible's passage, people here seem to feel it is ok to associate the Verichip with Satan. And even worse, that this link between Verichip and Satan is considered "unbiased information".

I would like to note that the person who added the above is 89.155.63.6 because he didn't sign. Also, I don't understand what you're talking about because what you wrote about "The Resistance Manifesto" sounds like fundamentalist Christian propaganda to me. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 22:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Which proves how unbiased my approach to this matter is. If it's proper trivia then it should be inserted, which was clearly the case. What I don't agree with is the fact that the whole article seems to condemn the Verichip on moral grounds. And I apologize for not signing the comments but I don't really know how to. 83.132.176.132

[edit] "Privacy advocates have also..."

"Also"? Did something get removed that I'm missing? Caswin 00:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "What have chips in the brain to do with the Verichip?"

In response to below it is not the parent company of verichip is Halo they currently use chips in the hospitals to monitor babies but only on their hospital bracelet and if you like at patents taken out by verichip they have one that corresponds to the notion of implantation of a chip into the brain so that it would be protected by the skull as a baby mature. Why would a company need this patent if they did not wish to use it. Halo represents what a ring around the head and the chip sends out radio rings. You put it together you see their plan! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.77.151.196 (talk) 22:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

This below is just a fantasy! This has nothing to do with the Verichip! Why are users returning this to the article? What has a chip that is inserted in the brain to do with the Verichip? To me, this has no place here.

"However, the development of implanted chips to replace Debit and Credit Cards will make it necessary to place the chip in a location that makes it easy to use when going through the checkout line in the store. Most people are right handed, and swiping the palm over a scanner is the easiest and most obvious location for a chip therefore. Other implants are being developed already in conjunction with the creation of the so-called "World Wide Mind," which (according to a recent PBS special) is due to start coming online in 2013. These implants will be inserted directly into the brain (that is the head, not fore head, but it will be toward the front of the brain). It is ironic that W-W-W in Hebrew is 6-6-6 (Waw-Waw-Waw) and that numerologically this is a "9" (6 + 6 + 6 = 18 = 9) which is related to Material Perfection (Materialistic Perfection). Many religious people, including many Muslims, believe that the Internet, Verichips, the World Wide Mind, and the Banking System (which began in ancient Babylon) are all inter-related (THE BEAST, THE GREAT HARLOT of Revelation). The real choice, for others, which the chip merely personifies, is between Materialism & Spirituality as the center of one's life. " 83.132.176.132 06:17, 23 Jun 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Age limit?

how old do you have to be in order to have a Verichip? Baconator96 05:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)Baconator96

[edit] Is "We Will Not Be Chipped" notable/real?

The list of proponents includes an organization "We Will Not Be Chipped", which is not nearly as familiar as Albrecht. Looking at their site I have a gut feeling that the organization is not genuine. Many of the subsections on their site are empty or nearly so; their description of hacking a Verichip (as opposed to Wikipedia's links) is several pages of mashed-together text that looks impossible; they compare Verichips to Nazis and mind control and use a Hollerith machine comparison which seems planned to fail if challenged. Their site encourages everyone to link to it by "Verichipping" their sites with a code that allows the parent site to see who is visiting the target site. Their T-shirts display "Verichip" very prominently and contribute to brand recognition. I did not even spot a link to CASPIAN on their site. Last but not least, what first made me suspicious is a small distinctive detail, which I think it prudent not to specify, which reminds me of the phony "anti-tobacco" campaigns run by cigarette manufacturers.

As a first step, I'm taking them off the list of "opponents" because I don't see them as notable enough to list there (e.g. Yahoo news has no hit for "We will not be chipped"). 70.15.116.59 (talk) 18:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading tone

Proponents "Some health experts including Former Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, who sits on the board of directors of VeriChip's parent company Applied Digital Solutions and holds a considerable share of the VeriChip, support the VeriChip as a "useful tool in sharing medical information with health care providers in emergency situations"."


This sentence has a misleading introduction; It states the position to which Thompson held which expresses his credibility, and then sections off his relationship to VeriChip's corporation, completing it with his comment. It sets the tone that though he is the Former Secretary of Health and Human Services, his comments are skewed based on his affiliation with VeriChip. That would be an opinion based speculation and not fact. This sentence credits and discredits him all at once.

The use of the word "some" in the beginning also makes this sentence biased in the view that there are more experts who do not support VeriChip than those who do support. This may be a fact, but you should have some statistic report to verify "some" verses "many" which can be leading words in of them selves.

Finally the financial investment Thompson does or does not engage in is of no purpose here. The fact he is on the board of directors of a related company can arguably fit since it indirectly pertains to the subject of this article and directly to the section to which it has been placed. His financial endeavors however, whether in this cooperation or not, has no place alongside the subject matter, and does not bring anything to the table that would otherwise be lost if left out.

The sentence should be rewritten to keep all parts neutral. Something to the effect of the fallowing might work well:

"Tommy Thompson, the former Secretary of Health and Human Services, along with other experts support the VeriChip as a "useful tool in sharing medical information with health care providers in emergency situations". Thompson also sits on the board of directors of VeriChip's parent company Applied Digital Solutions." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.96.167.208 (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)