Talk:Vauxhall Motors

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"From the 1970s, most models were designed and built in partnership with Opel in Germany. The Chevette, Cavalier and Carltonbasically facelifted versions of the Kadett, Ascona and Rekord."

I dispute this somewhat. Vauxhall and Opel have always made similar cars, not surprising since they are both GM subsidiarys and there obviously was a lot of cross-fertilisation. This is true going back to the 60s - the then Opel Kadett is fairly similar to the Viva. However, they were not the same cars throughout the 70s, the Vauxhall versions were home-grown and engineered variants that shared relatively few parts in common with the Opel cars, they even had totally different engines. It wasn't really until the 80s that they became the exact same car, with nothing but badging to separate them. I'm not sure how to change the text to make this clear however. GRAHAMUK 03:46, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Logo Problem? 2 Commentary not suitable for article 3 Vauxhall Motorcycle 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Vauxhall Motors Logo.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Vauxhall logo.png

[edit] Logo Problem?

Recently it seems someone thumbnailed the logo image, then comments appeared like "trying to improve image", etc. As not just the original uploader of this image, but I actually drew it in Illustrator, I'm wondering what is wrong with it exactly? I have the original 2M file so if there is something wrong, let me know and I can fix it. I also feel that thumbnailing it is pointless - it's small anyway and was equally discreet in its original form - the additional border that thumbnailing causes doesn't improve the look of the page in this case. I'd suggest reverting to its original layout. Note - change for the sake of change is just daft - if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Graham 09:14, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've not played around with images before, but there was a load of HTML around the two images that looked as if it could be disposed of, so I did, and then the image started looking 'unclean'. Please tidy it up, if you would. Noisy 09:27, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've restored the original HTML. The apparent complexity is a legacy of the older method WP used for aligning images - it's still supported though more complex to set up, so there is no need to "fix" it.Graham 12:34, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Commentary not suitable for article

Came across this Jeremy Clarkson commentary. Too sarcastic/opinionated for the article, but funny nontheless. Clarkson is lamenting the effect GM has had on its Vauxhall subsidiary:

"...Vauxhall’s a part of General Motors which, so far as I can tell... seems to concentrate mainly on pensions and healthcare and for as long as I can remember has seen the car making side of the business as an expensive loss-making nuisance. This explains the [old] Vectra. They gave it some seats, a pair of windscreen wipers and a roof, and, just before the morning coffee break, with a sigh of relief, went back to their Medicare and pension plans." [1] --Mark83 13:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Clarkson has always been rude about Vauxhalls, I'm not sure why, probably had the trauma of learning to drive in a Viva or something - I know I did ;-) The Monaro is the only one he has ever seemed enthusiastic about, so it's clear that as long as you give it enough grunt it doesn't matter about the rest of it. One of his comments that stuck with me particularly was his scathing remarks about the HPF that "it sounds like a sporting tractor and goes about as well". Probably feels the same way about the HS Chevette, which Tiff Needell drove on Top Gear once and was really impressed with. These cars were the Monaros of their day, you'd think JC would get that! Ah well, he's entertaining enough in his way. Graham 00:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

If you get a chance read the full article because he actually likes the Astra Sport Hatch! Mark83 08:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vauxhall Motorcycle

Apparently Vauxhall made a motorcycle (just one model). Why is there no mention of this? I'm no expert - my information comes from the following link: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:8OQ19Xb_AMYJ:mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/kevins_pages/vaux_history.html+8718MN&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

"THE VAUXHALL MOTORBIKE (1922/23)

In 1922 Vauxhall started work on its first and only motorcycle. The machine was designed by Major Frank B Halford who was a very well known aero-engineer who created the Cirrus engine for de Havilland in 1924. Halford was also responsible for the flat H liquid cooled Napier Sabre and worked on the Jet engine development with Sir Frank Whittle.

By 1923 two machines had been completed before production difficulties made it clear that the machine was not going to be a financial success. A further six frames and twelve engines were made but the machines and spares were offered for sale to company personnel.

Two complete bikes are known to have been sold to a draftsman and an apprentice but only one machine is known to survive today. Registration number 8718MN was in a private collection on the Isle of Man for many years but is now believed to be to be in Ashurst, W Sussex in England.

This single seater motorcycle was a very advanced design for the 1920’s and it had a wheelbase of 58 in, a length of 90 in and a height of 39 in. It weighed in at 415 lb and featured a duplex cradle frame with coil-sprung twin forks, no rear suspension and no dampers.

The engine was a 4 cylinder square (67mm bore and stroke) unit (945cc giving circa 30bhp @ 3500 rpm) with separate air cooled in line cylinders, aluminium crankcase, 3-bearing 2-piece crankshaft, single carburettor, magneto ignition and 6-volt electrics. Lubrication was by wick to the overhead valve rockers and by dippers on the ends of the connecting rods at the bottom end. The cylinder head was fixed but overhead valves were used with a side camshaft.

A 3 speed box and shaft drive was fitted with a 6 in multi-plate clutch, 7 in drum brakes and 700x80 tyres. The reported top speed was 82mph." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.240.60 (talk) 21:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Vauxhall Motors Logo.jpg

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— Save_Us_229 18:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Vauxhall logo.png

Image:Vauxhall logo.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)